Skid Sprocket Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 There is much discussion on the BSF on what is wrong with the way speedway is run today. I would like to see, from time to time, these opinions culminating in a vote so that, just maybe, the powers that be will see a clear picture of what a large group of speedway supporters are wanting. To get the ball rolling (or wheels turning) I thought an anonymous vote on whether or not to publish attendance figures. http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=84163&hl= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 I suspect that if the real figures were known the media would pay even less attention to Speedway. Obviously more people would like to know than wouldn't, that's natural curiosity but I don't really see what purpose is being served. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid Sprocket Posted May 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 I suspect that if the real figures were known the media would pay even less attention to Speedway. Obviously more people would like to know than wouldn't, that's natural curiosity but I don't really see what purpose is being served. You make a very valid point foamfence but there are many valid points on many subjects on this forum and it is difficult to know what is the majorities opinion. There are prolific posters and there are non poster this is just a way of hearing everyone's view, maybe a different topic should have been used and could be in future polls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 There is much discussion on the BSF on what is wrong with the way speedway is run today. I would like to see, from time to time, these opinions culminating in a vote so that, just maybe, the powers that be will see a clear picture of what a large group of speedway supporters are wanting. http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=84163&hl= Many many issues mate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 I have stated somewhere else on this Forum that if Attendances are good - then yes you could publish them. Sadly Speedway is not exactly well supported at the moment so for that reason - I Voted 'NO'. Who would want to drag themselves along to a Track knowing that there would not be many people there? Personally - I would not publish the Gates at Speedway because if you did it could very well have the effect of putting people off. You know the sort of thing - "What - there were only 347 people there last week - it can't be that good - I think I'll give it a miss". This could happen. So, in my view let them come along in ignorance of the numbers attending - at least that way they will take a look - they may even like it and become regulars - who knows? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisperer Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 What needs to be remembered is that attendance figures are not necessarily the same as paying customers because many clubs give free tickets to sponsors and to help promote the club. These will be clicks on the turnstiles but not necessarily reflect in the revenue stream so as long as the BSF doesn't try to draw financial conclusions from the attendance figures there is no harm done (or is that why people really want to know). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 (edited) Manchester City regularly 'sell out' the Etihad.. The TV pictures every week however tell a somewhat different story... Giving tickets away, or selling them as BOGOF's or at £5, gives City credibility when it comes to attendance figures quoted.. (Although it does generate a certain amount of pee taking from other teams' fans)... Arsenal last night had 'over 59000 tickets sold'! With, in reality, about 40000 in actual attendance.. Speedway should do the same... The British Final at BV should be a sell out! First meeting on BT so showcase the sport... Knock ten pound tickets out and if advance sales are not good, sell them for a fiver or even give them out for nothing in city centre Manchester. Why not do a roadshow on the Saturday and Sunday before from the City Centre?... Advertising a 7000 crowd (whether paid full whack to get in or not) makes the Sport sound at least credible and less small time, and on TV makes it look like it's successful... A half empty Grandstand with 300 people rattling around the back straight stand wouldn't impress any armchair non Speedway followers. Especially when they are watching 'The British Final'! With The National Title up for grabs! A British Final where they announce the changes to the 'crowd line up' before they announce changes to the 'rider line up' wouldn't look or sound too good on the box either.. "Mr Edwards of Ardwick sends his apologies. He cannot be here tonight as his wife has gone to Bingo and he has to look after their cat, 'Ivan'".....😂 Fill the place, by hook or by crook... Edited May 17, 2017 by mikebv 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef robin Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 Would like to see gates published like most in the poll, so I don't have to count the crowd at Blunsdon every week! The crowds dont normally include some fans and sponsors who get in free. Non-league football crowds are published so why not speedway, would like to see cricket, rugby, and ice hockey crowds etc., as well. Manchester City regularly 'sell out' the Etihad.. The TV pictures every week however tell a somewhat different story... Giving tickets away, or selling them as BOGOF's or at £5, gives City credibility when it comes to attendance figures quoted.. (Although it does generate a certain amount of pee taking from other teams' fans)... Arsenal last night had 'over 59000 tickets sold'! With, in reality, about 40000 in actual attendance.. Speedway should do the same... The British Final at BV should be a sell out! First meeting on BT so showcase the sport... Knock ten pound tickets out and if advance sales are not good, sell them for a fiver or even give them out for nothing in city centre Manchester. Why not do a roadshow on the Saturday and Sunday before from the City Centre?... Advertising a 7000 crowd (whether paid full whack to get in or not) makes the Sport sound at least credible and less small time, and on TV makes it look like it's successful... A half empty Grandstand with 300 people rattling around the back straight stand wouldn't impress any armchair non Speedway followers. Especially when they are watching 'The British Final'! With The National Title up for grabs! A British Final where they announce the changes to the 'crowd line up' before they announce changes to the 'rider line up' wouldn't look or sound too good on the box either.. "Mr Edwards of Ardwick sends his apologies. He cannot be here tonight as his wife has gone to Bingo and he has to look after their cat, 'Ivan'"..... Fill the place, by hook or by crook... The cat is called Alan not Ivan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid Sprocket Posted May 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 There is much discussion on the BSF on what is wrong with the way speedway is run today. I would like to see, from time to time, these opinions culminating in a vote so that, just maybe, the powers that be will see a clear picture of what a large group of speedway supporters are wanting. To get the ball rolling (or wheels turning) I thought an anonymous vote on whether or not to publish attendance figures. http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=84163&hl= 43 Yes, 17 No, to date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 Manchester City regularly 'sell out' the Etihad.. The TV pictures every week however tell a somewhat different story... Giving tickets away, or selling them as BOGOF's or at £5, gives City credibility when it comes to attendance figures quoted.. (Although it does generate a certain amount of pee taking from other teams' fans)... Arsenal last night had 'over 59000 tickets sold'! With, in reality, about 40000 in actual attendance.. Speedway should do the same... The British Final at BV should be a sell out! First meeting on BT so showcase the sport... Knock ten pound tickets out and if advance sales are not good, sell them for a fiver or even give them out for nothing in city centre Manchester. Why not do a roadshow on the Saturday and Sunday before from the City Centre?... Advertising a 7000 crowd (whether paid full whack to get in or not) makes the Sport sound at least credible and less small time, and on TV makes it look like it's successful... A half empty Grandstand with 300 people rattling around the back straight stand wouldn't impress any armchair non Speedway followers. Especially when they are watching 'The British Final'! With The National Title up for grabs! A British Final where they announce the changes to the 'crowd line up' before they announce changes to the 'rider line up' wouldn't look or sound too good on the box either.. "Mr Edwards of Ardwick sends his apologies. He cannot be here tonight as his wife has gone to Bingo and he has to look after their cat, 'Ivan'"..... Fill the place, by hook or by crook... Not just the British Final, I've thought for a long time that every match shown live on TV should be promoted like hell to get as big a crowd in as possible. If this means reduced admission fine. Try and get a meeting sponsor to make up for any reduction in income. With the big crowd and TV coverage the sponsor gets good exposure. The sport also looks a lot better to TV companies and any potential fans / sponsors watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted May 20, 2017 Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 One thing I have said for years including tweeting sky sports and a few clubs and dvd companys. Is that... Why do they not use their main camera on the back straight. Places like wolves spring to mind where you can only watch on one straight. When a good race happens or a news story pops up, action shots and brief clips will show a reasonable sized crowd rather then a car park or empty grass banks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 20, 2017 Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 One thing I have said for years including tweeting sky sports and a few clubs and dvd companys. Is that... Why do they not use their main camera on the back straight. Places like wolves spring to mind where you can only watch on one straight. When a good race happens or a news story pops up, action shots and brief clips will show a reasonable sized crowd rather then a car park or empty grass banks. What a very good idea - I am surprised that they don't do that. :approve: I must admit that I had never thought about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted May 20, 2017 Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 It has to make a difference surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid Sprocket Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 There is much discussion on the BSF on what is wrong with the way speedway is run today. I would like to see, from time to time, these opinions culminating in a vote so that, just maybe, the powers that be will see a clear picture of what a large group of speedway supporters are wanting. To get the ball rolling (or wheels turning) I thought an anonymous vote on whether or not to publish attendance figures. http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=84163&hl= The attendance figure poll has been running for two weeks now and stands at 70 - 30 on favour of publishing attendance figures. Now that the feelings of supporters have been made known on this subject maybe its time to think about closing this poll and starting another on a subject where there are clear cut "Yes" or "No" options such as "Should tactical rides be stopped?" (or any other questionable topic). Is there any interest in getting the feelings of all members through a poll and not just the ones who speak out by posting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef robin Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Not just the British Final, I've thought for a long time that every match shown live on TV should be promoted like hell to get as big a crowd in as possible. If this means reduced admission fine. Try and get a meeting sponsor to make up for any reduction in income. With the big crowd and TV coverage the sponsor gets good exposure. The sport also looks a lot better to TV companies and any potential fans / sponsors watching. Get it back on mainstream tv so every kid can watch it otherwise it stays a minority sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid Sprocket Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Get it back on mainstream tv so every kid can watch it otherwise it stays a minority sport. Not quite sure how a poll will help but are you wanting to poll members to get some backing for your thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef robin Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) Not quite sure how a poll will help but are you wanting to poll members to get some backing for your thoughts? No unless the polls carry some weight with the powers that be which is unlikely unfortunately. Most wouldn't bother with a fans forum. Edited May 30, 2017 by beefy keefy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 No unless the polls carry some weight with the powers that be which is unlikely unfortunately. Most wouldn't bother with a fans forum. ........................................ or the views of said Fans. :sad: The attendance figure poll has been running for two weeks now and stands at 70 - 30 on favour of publishing attendance figures. Now that the feelings of supporters have been made known on this subject maybe its time to think about closing this poll and starting another on a subject where there are clear cut "Yes" or "No" options such as "Should tactical rides be stopped?" (or any other questionable topic). Is there any interest in getting the feelings of all members through a poll and not just the ones who speak out by posting? Another good idea. Interesting to see the Results of this one. I think you can already guess where my Vote would go were there to be a Poll. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid Sprocket Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 ........................................ or the views of said Fans. :sad: Another good idea. Interesting to see the Results of this one. I think you can already guess where my Vote would go were there to be a Poll. :) I agree, the powers that be are never going to trawl through the discussions on this or any forum but if they can be presented with the results of simple polls after the discussions have taken place then they must be something to be considered. What are the priorities? Or are there reasons not to go down this path? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid Sprocket Posted June 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 ........................................ or the views of said Fans. :sad: Another good idea. Interesting to see the Results of this one. I think you can already guess where my Vote would go were there to be a Poll. :) Thanks WK but it would seem you are the only other one interested in finding a consensus of members views and so unless anyone else is interested maybe just put it down to a missed opportunity for change . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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