waytogo28 Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Its not Phil Morris's fault , never is ! It must be partly his fault. I accept you are talking tongue in cheek. But Round One was allowed to be heavily overwatered and Round 3 dry and dusty. What point is there in having an ex rider as the Race Director if he has no influence in the track preparation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 FURROW Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 It must be partly his fault. I accept you are talking tongue in cheek. But Round One was allowed to be heavily overwatered and Round 3 dry and dusty. What point is there in having an ex rider as the Race Director if he has no influence in the track preparation.I don't know about him having any influence in my opinion he's no idea I'm sure there's better out there to do his job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Agreed... This weekend next year at the NSS would deliver a much larger crowd and great racing. . It's the Great Manchester Run today too so thousands of people visiting the City to compete and support... Spring BH weekend would be a fantastic sporting festival in the City... seeing how they can lay good tracks in any stadium these days I think they should try something up north towards or maybe in Scotland , belle vue is a great track but as a stadium very average and small capacity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Hey, I like the idea of a second (or even third) GP in England (that includes Scotland [just kidding]). But if F1 can have a European Grand Prix in Azerbaijan, why can't we have a US Speedway Grand Prix in Scunthorpe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUDGIE Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Sort these crap tracks out Mr Morris, that's 2 out of 3 now!!!!!!! A few years ago lots of people where saying that we needed to forget the temporary tracks and get the racing on 'proper' (the meaning of which I guess was permanent) tracks. The comment above is completely opposite to that train of thought, ie the poor tracks were the permanent ones! Strange how things change 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 I don't know about him having any influence in my opinion he's no idea I'm sure there's better out there to do his job Im sure there are a few on this forum who put themselves into that bracket. Its one thing to talk he talk, but another to walk the walk. seeing how they can lay good tracks in any stadium these days I think they should try something up north towards or maybe in Scotland , belle vue is a great track but as a stadium very average and small capacity Its finding a stadium big enough for the track. If its indoor stadium you talking about, big enough are difficult to find. Cardiff holds in excess of 50,000 and so does Warsaw. there is generally a relation between crowd capacity and potential track size. For example, Manchester Arena is claimed to be the 2nd largest in Europe, yet it only holds 21,000 max. I been there many times and you would not get a decent sized speedway track in that arena (decent size=Cardiff, Warsaw) Go for a football stadium and you battling with weather wherever you go, so you may as well make a speedway track a racing track and have it their. Also many football stadiums would not contain a speedway track, look at Horsens (Danish GP), one end of it has to be extended outside of the normal stadium dimensions, its not everywhere you can do that. With some more money (not likely) Belle Vue could be covered like Torun such that the track is covered but not the whole stadium area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) Im sure there are a few on this forum who put themselves into that bracket. Its one thing to talk he talk, but another to walk the walk. Its finding a stadium big enough for the track. If its indoor stadium you talking about, big enough are difficult to find. Cardiff holds in excess of 50,000 and so does Warsaw. there is generally a relation between crowd capacity and potential track size. For example, Manchester Arena is claimed to be the 2nd largest in Europe, yet it only holds 21,000 max. I been there many times and you would not get a decent sized speedway track in that arena (decent size=Cardiff, Warsaw) Go for a football stadium and you battling with weather wherever you go, so you may as well make a speedway track a racing track and have it their. Also many football stadiums would not contain a speedway track, look at Horsens (Danish GP), one end of it has to be extended outside of the normal stadium dimensions, its not everywhere you can do that. With some more money (not likely) Belle Vue could be covered like Torun such that the track is covered but not the whole stadium area. Copenhagen and Gelsenkirchen have covered stadium`s I believe Edited May 30, 2017 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just watched the GP and was expecting a bore fest after some comments on here, not the best ever but by no means a rubbish one. A fair few decent races and incidents. Maybe I'm easily pleased 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Since the Warsaw fiaso 2015, indoor arena tracks have improved immensely - well done those guys. How about a team of track specialists (not necessarily the same ones that do indoor tracks) be appointed to prepare outdoor speedway tracks for the GP's? They could work along with "local" track staff initially to gain the knowledge of THAT particular track and work from there. Might tak a couple or three years to get it right, but hopefully then we would have race tracks every GP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GiveusaB Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Shame that we cant have a GP in England??? i.e Wembley ??? although they obviously didn't have speedway in mind when they built it....'hence the non-roof closure' ? Great track at Belle Vue, but like others have said.....'not enough spectator capacity' ! Think we'd better remain grateful to our Welsh neighbours....Roll on Cardiff !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Shame that we cant have a GP in England??? i.e Wembley ??? although they obviously didn't have speedway in mind when they built it....'hence the non-roof closure' ? Great track at Belle Vue, but like others have said.....'not enough spectator capacity' ! Think we'd better remain grateful to our Welsh neighbours....Roll on Cardiff !!! Given some of the venues that have been used l think a capacity crowd at Belle Vue would suit them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GiveusaB Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Given some of the venues that have been used l think a capacity crowd at Belle Vue would suit them. Agreed ! But I think apart from Poland.....England will probably attract a far bigger crowd than the other country venues ? (hence Cardiff....mostly British fans) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 BV would be ok for a GP, half the crowd would be Polish and the other half rest of the world of speedway. Many would have to watch on TV, obviously not the same atmosphere, the WC Final last year was really good, but with TV you get pit shots, replays etc. I would be happy with BV as a second GP, could be called the European GP or the Brexit GP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Kildemand broke a bone in his left foot when he fell off in the Latvia GP, so hes out of action for a few days. I hope Nicki is ok for June 10th Prague, much better spectacle then PK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFMDan Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 This is what they do in the US for Supercross. They have a traveling 'track crew' ("Dirt Works") which is split into three groups (If I recall correctly). Two groups 'leap frog' each other through the schedule and create the track - giving the rider/performers a bit of an assurance that the tracks week in and week out (while being different in design and substance) are still predictable. The third crew is simply the 'tear down' crew each week. HB Since the Warsaw fiaso 2015, indoor arena tracks have improved immensely - well done those guys. How about a team of track specialists (not necessarily the same ones that do indoor tracks) be appointed to prepare outdoor speedway tracks for the GP's? They could work along with "local" track staff initially to gain the knowledge of THAT particular track and work from there. Might tak a couple or three years to get it right, but hopefully then we would have race tracks every GP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just watched the GP and was expecting a bore fest after some comments on here, not the best ever but by no means a rubbish one. A fair few decent races and incidents. Maybe I'm easily pleased I'm with you -expectations are too high. This meeting was well entertaining and had more interesting racing than the much revered 1981 world final - fact. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 I'm with you -expectations are too high. This meeting was well entertaining and had more interesting racing than the much revered 1981 world final - fact. I think expectations were high for this one because the SEC event at the same track last year was arguably the best meeting of all time.GPs last year were generally of an excellent standard, and clearly so too was the last GP. This meeting was OK in terms of racing, but I can understand people being a little fisapointed, and clearly the track could have been better prepared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scunny2012 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 I'm with you -expectations are too high. This meeting was well entertaining and had more interesting racing than the much revered 1981 world final - fact. Yes I agree not a bad Grand prix meeting and I was there at the 1981 final, maybe it was the tremendous atmosphere of a packed Wembley that made it so memorable rather than the racing, what a shame it's gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 I'm with you -expectations are too high. This meeting was well entertaining and had more interesting racing than the much revered 1981 world final - fact. Better races at Daugvapils than Penhall / Knudsen or Penhall / Olsen , don't think so 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUDGIE Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Better races at Daugvapils than Penhall / Knudsen or Penhall / Olsen , don't think so Agreed, the excitement was generated by errors in the main! Do I need to put 'fact; at the end of that opinion to give it more weight? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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