LisaColette Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Rosco asked Tai to put in a word to the BSPA about becoming manager of Team GB and made promises to him about how things would be run more professionally if he were the manager, he talked of setting up training camps etc. Tai took him at his word and put in a word for him and he got the job he wanted but nothing changed. Tai took it upon himself to arrange a training day for the other riders of Team GB but no one else turned up, one rider saying he didn't need to train, all he needed was a faster bike and he would be world champion. There are 2 sides to every story. Some people love him, some people hate him but there are 2 sides to every story.Usually there's Tai's version of the truth and then the actual truth! I think Darcy has called him out on things before to do with the World Cup and money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Tai's reasons for not wanting to ride for Team GB are well documented and he has stayed that once Rosco's gone he will be willing to return. He was born here which makes him as British as you and me!!! , Woffinden most certainly is not as British as me , I dont call Australia home ,I don't have an Aussie flag tattoed Across my back , and I don't sing the Australian Anthem and then show my ignoirance by pissing about when the British one is being played . I resent you suggesting that I am anything like Woffinden , if it's true that he wont ride for team GB until Rosco is gone ,I hope Rosco remains the team manager for the next 20 years , It depends how big the event is I guess. If there is genuine prestige in winning then clearly we should go with the best rides. I remember a speedway event in the World games at Wimbledon and was a bit of a non event - just random pairs event with avout at much significance as an EL fixture filler. So maybe it's a lot of fuss about nothing. I have that on video .I think it was run behind closed doors during a weekday , cowboy cook and mitch shirra were in it i think , didnt realise it was a part of the world games ,thought it was a meeting called the world games 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 He holds dual nationality How? , Woffinden most certainly is not as British as me , I dont call Australia home ,I don't have an Aussie flag tattoed Across my back , and I don't sing the Australian Anthem and then show my ignoirance by pissing about when the British one is being played . I resent you suggesting that I am anything like Woffinden , if it's true that he wont ride for team GB until Rosco is gone ,I hope Rosco remains the team manager for the next 20 years , I have that on video .I think it was run behind closed doors during a weekday , cowboy cook and mitch shirra were in it i think , didnt realise it was a part of the world games ,thought it was a meeting called the world games It was definitely part of The World Games. I remember it being announced beforehand. They didn't even ride in countries. I think I have it somewhere on an old vhs tape too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) How? It was definitely part of The World Games. I remember it being announced beforehand. They didn't even ride in countries. I think I have it somewhere on an old vhs tape too. It was at Wimbledon if I remember right , I have never been to Wimbledon and it took me a while to get used to the idea that the start and finish were in different places . haha its on youtube ,well worth a look , a smiling young tatum .., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIGbKOl_08g Edited May 10, 2017 by speedibee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Mentioned before on the forum, but too early at that time I guess, but still time to produce 'anybody but TAI' tee shirts for Cardiff GP - with profits going to the Speedway riders benevolent fund. British Speedway dont need a rider who is happy to British when it suits him - perhaps best for him to ride under the United Nations flag this year. I personally will be routing for the worthy GB rider who has come through the mill to get there - at the moment a certain Mr Cook will be the worthy occupant of that status. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theboss Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Mentioned before on the forum, but too early at that time I guess, but still time to produce 'anybody but TAI' tee shirts for Cardiff GP - with profits going to the Speedway riders benevolent fund. British Speedway dont need a rider who is happy to British when it suits him - perhaps best for him to ride under the United Nations flag this year. I personally will be routing for the worthy GB rider who has come through the mill to get there - at the moment a certain Mr Cook will be the worthy occupant of that status. Can't imagine what the t-shirt will say if it is Rory Schlein 🙈 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Can't imagine what the t-shirt will say if it is Rory Schlein Ha.Would be a classic.My views on Tai.Hes not bothered about the British final.Quit Team GB.He can't blame it on fixtures.He is worth and earns enough money to ride for GB if he wants to.He don't need to bow to anyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 IF he was asked if he was available and then snubbed that's pretty poor. Have heard from a decent source that he and Rosco don't get on and that it's because of a difference of opinion about professionalism. Such a shame but there you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 IF he was asked if he was available and then snubbed that's pretty poor. Have heard from a decent source that he and Rosco don't get on and that it's because of a difference of opinion about professionalism. Such a shame but there you go. Why? Didn't TW grasp what professionalism means? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 They do have training camps. I think he was referring to preparations for the world cup at BV last year. We had a great chance to win it on home turf but didn't take it seriously enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Rosco asked Tai to put in a word to the BSPA about becoming manager of Team GB and made promises to him about how things would be run more professionally if he were the manager, he talked of setting up training camps etc. Tai took him at his word and put in a word for him and he got the job he wanted but nothing changed. Tai took it upon himself to arrange a training day for the other riders of Team GB but no one else turned up, one rider saying he didn't need to train, all he needed was a faster bike and he would be world champion. There are 2 sides to every story. Some people love him, some people hate him but there are 2 sides to every story. They've implemented pretty much everything Tai asked for a couple of years back. Tai got the hump because it wasn't done how he wanted it to be done ie the training camp, Poultec training youngesters and choice of personal trainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffster Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Taking a helicopter view of this, surely the BSPA would love the potential publicity of winning a gold medal at the games. Therefore surely Tai should be a shoe in irrelevant of wether the sports management committee took umbridge to his attitude or clash of personalities. This is a massive balls up in my opinion and it needs sorting before Tai is lost to British Speedway for good. Yes, but you have made the error of thinking the BSPA use logic and common sense, and you, better than most on this forum, know it sadly doesnt work like that ! Some posters are saying "he cant pick and choose when he represents GB blah blah blah"....Well, the World Games could have been used as an olive branch by both Tai and the BSPA to repair a relationship that has broken down, in my view. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Why? Didn't TW grasp what professionalism means? Tai thinks professionalism is the art of shytting on the people who helped you to the top , then when you start on the slippery slope back down ,go back like the prodigal son , and think the BSPA will kill the fattened calf for him , IF he was asked if he was available and then snubbed that's pretty poor. Have heard from a decent source that he and Rosco don't get on and that it's because of a difference of opinion about professionalism. Such a shame but there you go. I think it was pretty cool , what goes around comes around , even if your head is a big as Sidney opera house Mentioned before on the forum, but too early at that time I guess, but still time to produce 'anybody but TAI' tee shirts for Cardiff GP - with profits going to the Speedway riders benevolent fund. British Speedway dont need a rider who is happy to British when it suits him - perhaps best for him to ride under the United Nations flag this year. I personally will be routing for the worthy GB rider who has come through the mill to get there - at the moment a certain Mr Cook will be the worthy occupant of that status. No Bother ,if you want one ,I can make it , PM me Rosco asked Tai to put in a word to the BSPA about becoming manager of Team GB and made promises to him about how things would be run more professionally if he were the manager, he talked of setting up training camps etc. Tai took him at his word and put in a word for him and he got the job he wanted but nothing changed. Tai took it upon himself to arrange a training day for the other riders of Team GB but no one else turned up, one rider saying he didn't need to train, all he needed was a faster bike and he would be world champion. There are 2 sides to every story. Some people love him, some people hate him but there are 2 sides to every story. Thats odd .I always thought when Middlo quit ,the BSPA were struggling for someone to fill his shoes ,because of the lack of finance and backup the incumbent would get from them , now I find out , that Rosco needed Tai's help to get the job that nobody else wanted , #learnsomethingneweverydayevenifitisbullrubbish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one of clubs Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 It doesn't matter what you think - facts speak for themselves. How many 2-times+ British world champions can you name? Also bear in mind that in the modern era they aren't just one off meetings where you can have a good night and be crowned world champion, they are a collection of meetings around the world (Europe and Australia actually) to see who is the best over the season. So the facts disagree with your opinion. With regards to his selection or not - he did say he wouldn't do the British final or the SWC for whatever reasons. In this case (of the World Games) he was asked if he would be available (why they asked I don't know) and he said he would be and then he isn't selected. If you want to win, you need to select your best available riders and for whatever reason the BSPA haven't selected Tai. There are probably issues on both sides but Tai SHOULD be riding on merit! It doesn't matter what you think - facts speak for themselves. How many 2-times+ British world champions can you name? Also bear in mind that in the modern era they aren't just one off meetings where you can have a good night and be crowned world champion, they are a collection of meetings around the world (Europe and Australia actually) to see who is the best over the season. So the facts disagree with your opinion. With regards to his selection or not - he did say he wouldn't do the British final or the SWC for whatever reasons. In this case (of the World Games) he was asked if he would be available (why they asked I don't know) and he said he would be and then he isn't selected. If you want to win, you need to select your best available riders and for whatever reason the BSPA haven't selected Tai. There are probably issues on both sides but Tai SHOULD be riding on merit! Search Peter Collins on Wikipedia.There you will see the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 I am still a big fan of Tai Woffinden the on track speedway racing, wonder man. Everything else, for me, is a side issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Search Peter Collins on Wikipedia.There you will see the facts. World Champion once (in the old one night format). How does that compare with a 2 times world champion in the SGP era? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 World Champion once (in the old one night format). How does that compare with a 2 times world champion in the SGP era? Ah but you forget, Peter Collins won the British title once also... oh wait. Before anyone starts, not taking a pop at Peter Collins at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 World Champion once (in the old one night format). How does that compare with a 2 times world champion in the SGP era? Trouble is, comparison is always difficult. There's nothing to make me think that PC couldn't have won more titles if a GP system was in place back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 .... not taking a pop at Peter Collins at all. Dangerous territory. PC was seen as a British racing icon in his day. No gating skills and the best overtaker of his day. Something of a racing hero. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Dangerous territory. PC was seen as a British racing icon in his day. No gating skills and the best overtaker of his day. Something of a racing hero. Very true, but none of that is relevant to one of clubs post. Trouble is, comparison is always difficult. There's nothing to make me think that PC couldn't have won more titles if a GP system was in place back then. The discussion isn't about comparisons.. but 'facts' as one of club says. The facts are PC was World Speedway Champion once, Woffinden twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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