WalterPlinge Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Don't think the team is illegal. As you point out they were under 39 when originally declared - and that is all that matters. The team is illegal whichever way you look at it. If you add the current averages of the 7 riding tonight they come to 39.10 which exceeds the points limit. If you take the 7 declared at the start of the season they would have been ok... Wajtknecht 8.59 Ritchings 7.04 Greenwood 6.82 Mason 6.54 Wallinger 3.32 Cupitt 3.00 Hampshire 3.00 = 38.51 However they are now using Ayres (9.00) as a guest for Wajtknecht (8.59) tonight - which is illegal, and Shuttleworth (6.60) for Mason (6.54) which is also illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted May 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Meeting off due to rain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) The team is illegal whichever way you look at it. If you add the current averages of the 7 riding tonight they come to 39.10 which exceeds the points limit. If you take the 7 declared at the start of the season they would have been ok... Wajtknecht 8.59 Ritchings 7.04 Greenwood 6.82 Mason 6.54 Wallinger 3.32 Cupitt 3.00 Hampshire 3.00 = 38.51 However they are now using Ayres (9.00) as a guest for Wajtknecht (8.59) tonight - which is illegal, and Shuttleworth (6.60) for Mason (6.54) which is also illegal. Ah ha! I hadn't considered the guest replacements. My guess is that someone at Swindon assumed a 5% uplift for home guests, but doesn't understand that 18.12.1 does not apply to the NL (or NT) Edited May 11, 2017 by arnieg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliant Robin Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 The team is illegal whichever way you look at it. If you add the current averages of the 7 riding tonight they come to 39.10 which exceeds the points limit. If you take the 7 declared at the start of the season they would have been ok... Wajtknecht 8.59 Ritchings 7.04 Greenwood 6.82 Mason 6.54 Wallinger 3.32 Cupitt 3.00 Hampshire 3.00 = 38.51 However they are now using Ayres (9.00) as a guest for Wajtknecht (8.59) tonight - which is illegal, and Shuttleworth (6.60) for Mason (6.54) which is also illegal. It's an interesting one. So the team would be fine if declared at the start of the season in the NL or trophy, but is illegal due to riders increasing their averages through the season? So the alternative is that other NL Trophy teams can have riders improving throughout to a league average (usually higher than 39) but Swindon should be capped at a starting average each time they race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 It's an interesting one. So the team would be fine if declared at the start of the season in the NL or trophy, but is illegal due to riders increasing their averages through the season? The team declared at the start of the season is fine, and would still be fine if they increased their averages to go over 39. However the guests used to replace them have to be lower than the average of the riders being replaced and clearly Ayres isn't lower than Wajtknecht and Shuttleworth isn't lower than Mason. If you redeclare the team the newcomers have to be lower than the ones being replaced or comply with the 39 point limit. So the team named isn't a legal redeclaration either as it's 39.1 and the new riders are higher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef robin Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Meeting off due to rain That was called off quickly has been dry for at least an hour, after that downpour between 3.30-4.30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Robin Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 That was called off quickly has been dry for at least an hour, after that downpour between 3.30-4.30. Certainly was, we have just travelled to Swindon and had to turn around to come straight back to Bristol in sunshine and dry all the way down the M4, Wish someone would consider the travelling fans. If it wasn't for Orlov's post on the BSF, I wouldn't have seen the rained off information on my phone. Nothing on the website !!! Other half fuming !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) . Edited May 11, 2017 by ruckerroo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted May 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) Certainly was, we have just travelled to Swindon and had to turn around to come straight back to Bristol in sunshine and dry all the way down the M4, Wish someone would consider the travelling fans. If it wasn't for Orlov's post on the BSF, I wouldn't have seen the rained off information on my phone. Nothing on the website !!! Other half fuming !!!!! I received a tweet from @SwindonSpeedway just as I was about to leave but it did take quite a while to appear on Swindon website. Rosco just tweeted right call pouring down with rain. Edited May 11, 2017 by A ORLOV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Robin Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 I received a tweet from @SwindonSpeedway just as I was about to leave but it did take quite a while to appear on Swindon website. Rosco just tweeted right call pouring down with rain. Many thanks, you saved us having to go all the way to the stadium, we turned around as soon as we left the M4, gutted !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted May 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Many thanks, you saved us having to go all the way to the stadium, we turned around as soon as we left the M4, gutted !!!! That was ok, I try to keep fans updated where I can. Have just sent you a pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Very very surprised it was off, we had probably a fourty minute downpour and that was it then it started drying again.Looking at the track on Twitter it looked like you could of got it raceable gutted really i was looking forward to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted May 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Very very surprised it was off, we had probably a fourty minute downpour and that was it then it started drying again.Looking at the track on Twitter it looked like you could of got it raceable gutted really i was looking forward to it. Good decision though Sidney as it pi##ed down at 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted May 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Report of reasons for cancellation of meeting by Rosco http://www.swindonrobins.co/news.php?extend.2870.1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 It's an interesting one. So the team would be fine if declared at the start of the season in the NL or trophy, but is illegal due to riders increasing their averages through the season? So the alternative is that other NL Trophy teams can have riders improving throughout to a league average (usually higher than 39) but Swindon should be capped at a starting average each time they race? You are completely overlooking that whereas the other teams made their declarations before the season started Swindon declared after most riders had ridden several meetings and shown their current ability not just last years average. Culpitt is a classic example. In Birminghams 5 meetings he has an equivalent to GSA of 6.66 but Swindon have him on a 3. Without working out all their individual meetings you can bet that all the Swindon Select are riding above their starting averages, nicely hand picked. IOW and Plymouth never had a chance and unless there is some misfortune I doubt whether Mildenhall will have in the final either. When it was accepted the Swindon would have the pick of non participating teams they should have been told that they must declare before March to keep an even playing field. They could also have been given the opportunity to name a like for like replacement at Heat Leader, 2nd string and reserve who would come in for any injured or double up rider when unavailable. Far from being prejudiced Swindon have been handed it on a plate, I suspect to try and encourage support andas I believe Rossco put it, prove the NL is viable for the NL next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 (edited) Swindon just should have to use current averages to replace riders from their declared intended 1-7. Which is exactly how the guest system works for everyone else! Rather than Ayres (9.00) being able to replace Zach (8.59) just because Ayres' starting average was smaller (8.56), for example. Edited May 12, 2017 by Islander15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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