bruno Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 I'm off to Plymouth Friday but if the traffics bad and we get delayed we will stop at Somerset instead, doesn't bother us whose missing but if I was a wolves fan I wouldn't bother with half the team missing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 I'm off to Plymouth Friday but if the traffics bad and we get delayed we will stop at Somerset instead, doesn't bother us whose missing but if I was a wolves fan I wouldn't bother with half the team missing i am sure there are the hardcore Wolves of fans though that still think the team have a decent chance of taking the points.....even if it isn't in theory, a Wolves line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 I know it is quite often not a simple as changing the night, but if Somerset didnt race on a Friday then they may pull the top riders in for the fans to see.. Goes back to the old issue of having all Premier Division Speedway on 1 night, I know that there are issues that currently prevent this from happening but it would be so much easier if each league in europe had their own designated night, sadly cannot see it ever happening. Would disagree. Poland are running all days of the week now. Do whats best for the fans, keep fridays. Just need to work together with the internatinal fixture planners. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) Confirmed that Lambert, Richie Worrall and Ellis Perks guest for Wolves. Such poor fixture planning.Always appears to be the away side that misses the most riders too.. Very rarely, if ever, do you see a home team agree to a meeting with three or four of their own riders (their star man usually being one of them) missing. Wonder why?...😮 A meeting like this has zero credibilty yet the result incredibly will impact a professional sports national league! You could be forgiven to assume one team suggests the fixture thinking they could steal a march on their rivals knowing riders are unavailable, whilst the other agrees to the fixture due to the potential they see of bringing track specialist ringers in... The only loses are of course the fans that will, once again, fail to see a Premiership meeting worthy of the name. If they turn up to it obviously... Edited May 4, 2017 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) A perfect example of why British speedway is where it is , why would any fan want to travel to attend this ? It's not a team but who's to blame ? Evsry fan who excepts doubling up , you moan when something like this happens but a soon as you want a new rider signed you want a rider who already rides for someone else , your making your own bed but don't want to lie in it, doubling up is the final nail in the coffin of British team speedway Edited May 4, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Always appears to be the away side that misses the most riders too.. Very rarely, if ever, do you see a home team agree to a meeting with three or four of their own riders (their star man usually being one of them) missing. Wonder why?... A meeting like this has zero credibilty yet the result incredibly will impact a professional sports national league! You could be forgiven to assume one team suggests the fixture thinking they could steal a march on their rivals knowing riders are unavailable, whilst the other agrees to the fixture due to the potential they see of bringing track specialist ringers in... The only loses are of course the fans that will, once again, fail to see a Premiership meeting worthy of the name. If they turn up to it obviously... There are many losers: home fans, away fans, the "star" riders, riders sponsors, the home gate, the sports credibility.....the list goes on. Something should be done NOW! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aroundtheboards Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 So Somerset fans don't get to see Freddie for either match? Short changed or what! Exactly ! I am a relatively new returnee to the sport after a break of some 40 years and obviously I have seen lots of changes to our sport on my return over the last three years !!! But I never expected teams to operate without their No1s so many times. I watched the GP at the weekend on TV and saw Freddie riding and was looking forward to seeing him ride this Friday at the Oaktree, the same as I wanted to see Holder and KK before, but alas we are to be starved of this treat and having to put up with guests that we will see, probably more times than enough this season. The Burnham and Highbridge News actually wrote in their sport coverage on Speedway that Wolves are led bi Freddie. It is not the Promoters that are ripping us off it is the system in use !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Exactly ! I am a relatively new returnee to the sport after a break of some 40 years and obviously I have seen lots of changes to our sport on my return over the last three years !!! But I never expected teams to operate without their No1s so many times. I watched the GP at the weekend on TV and saw Freddie riding and was looking forward to seeing him ride this Friday at the Oaktree, the same as I wanted to see Holder and KK before, but alas we are to be starved of this treat and having to put up with guests that we will see, probably more times than enough this season.The Burnham and Highbridge News actually wrote in their sport coverage on Speedway that Wolves are led bi Freddie. It is not the Promoters that are ripping us off it is the system in use !!! It's a difficult one. We need the top boys here, the more the better. However Poland, GP's usually come first and teams who ride Friday and Saturday are often likely to suffer. Not good tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 It's a difficult one. We need the top boys here, the more the better. However Poland, GP's usually come first and teams who ride Friday and Saturday are often likely to suffer. Not good tho. But do we need the top boys? Only three of them now anyway... There is simply far too much messing around with fixtures to accommodate too many riders' other commitments... Time for British Speedway to bite the bullet and decide it's future path.. It's simply nonsense the way it has been ran for years.... Surely those in charge realise this..? And if they do, have they got the resolve to change things? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 But do we need the top boys? Only three of them now anyway... There is simply far too much messing around with fixtures to accommodate too many riders' other commitments... Time for British Speedway to bite the bullet and decide it's future path.. It's simply nonsense the way it has been ran for years.... Surely those in charge realise this..? And if they do, have they got the resolve to change things? I get what you are saying. However cutting out the top boys will see even more fans desert the sport in droves. I'm a top flight snob. Not ashamed to admit. Although I watch all levels of racing including amateur. I don't believe we have a credible product without the top level boys. Good racing is good racing at any level. From that perspective it's a great product. Whether it will continue to be a credible one is doubtful if you strip it any further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 But do we need the top boys? Only three of them now anyway... There is simply far too much messing around with fixtures to accommodate too many riders' other commitments... Time for British Speedway to bite the bullet and decide it's future path.. It's simply nonsense the way it has been ran for years.... Surely those in charge realise this..? And if they do, have they got the resolve to change things? I totally agree. I'd rather see no GP riders racing in this Country. Would much rather watch 'middle order' riders giving 100% commitment, riding for their Club and having their best machinery here. After hearing yesterday what some of the GP riders take home after appearing in each GP, then I understand why some of them have no interest in riding for Clubs in this Country and being committed. You can earn more in one GP, than what you would doing all your home meetings. Said it before...would much rather watch and be entertained by some 'middle order riders', giving it their all, on similar tuned bikes, than watching a GP rider on the very best machinery blast it around at the front. GP's are competitive and entertaining, because the riders all have highly tuned, expensive fast bikes. It even's them out. I really don't see the 'Entertainment' in watching a GP rider roar away from 'middle order' riders, in a Club meeting, just because he has the funds to spend on tuning his bikes and make them faster. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) I totally agree. I'd rather see no GP riders racing in this Country. Would much rather watch 'middle order' riders giving 100% commitment, riding for their Club and having their best machinery here. After hearing yesterday what some of the GP riders take home after appearing in each GP, then I understand why some of them have no interest in riding for Clubs in this Country and being committed. You can earn more in one GP, than what you would doing all your home meetings. Said it before...would much rather watch and be entertained by some 'middle order riders', giving it their all, on similar tuned bikes, than watching a GP rider on the very best machinery blast it around at the front. GP's are competitive and entertaining, because the riders all have highly tuned, expensive fast bikes. It even's them out. I really don't see the 'Entertainment' in watching a GP rider roar away from 'middle order' riders, in a Club meeting, just because he has the funds to spend on tuning his bikes and make them faster. I think you should have said Poland- not GP's.The prize money is poor in the GP's- sponsorship obviously helps !! Edited May 4, 2017 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 I think you should have said Poland- not GP's. The prize money is poor in the GP's- sponsorship obviously helps !! Agreed...it's not the prize money, but the sponsorship. One rider mentioned to me, takes approx. £48,000 per GP. £4000 per Polish meeting, £3200 per Swedish and £2800 per British, when here. That's regardless of what they score per meeting....absolutely no incentive to do well here or be committed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 I totally agree. I'd rather see no GP riders racing in this Country. Would much rather watch 'middle order' riders giving 100% commitment, riding for their Club and having their best machinery here. After hearing yesterday what some of the GP riders take home after appearing in each GP, then I understand why some of them have no interest in riding for Clubs in this Country and being committed. You can earn more in one GP, than what you would doing all your home meetings. Said it before...would much rather watch and be entertained by some 'middle order riders', giving it their all, on similar tuned bikes, than watching a GP rider on the very best machinery blast it around at the front. GP's are competitive and entertaining, because the riders all have highly tuned, expensive fast bikes. It even's them out. I really don't see the 'Entertainment' in watching a GP rider roar away from 'middle order' riders, in a Club meeting, just because he has the funds to spend on tuning his bikes and make them faster. And of course as more than 99.9% of the country don't attend Speedway and they wont know who Holder, Lindgren and Doyle are anyway, it wouldn't preclude them from attending if those three are not there.. Four riders of similar ability, from the teams they are contracted to, in every race. Is the mantra fans want more than anything. Someone winning a race in 58 seconds miles in front of the rest isn't as good as a race on the same track over 62 seconds where winning is still up for grabs going into lap four.. If top riders put 500 on the gate then have them. Zagar this year isn't at BV. Gates don't seem to have dropped any, but I bet the wage bill has... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 And of course as more than 99.9% of the country don't attend Speedway and they wont know who Holder, Lindgren and Doyle are anyway, it wouldn't preclude them from attending if those three are not there.. Four riders of similar ability, from the teams they are contracted to, in every race. Is the mantra fans want more than anything. Never going to happen mate.. I totally agree. I'd rather see no GP riders racing in this Country. Would much rather watch 'middle order' riders giving 100% commitment, riding for their Club and having their best machinery here. After hearing yesterday what some of the GP riders take home after appearing in each GP, then I understand why some of them have no interest in riding for Clubs in this Country and being committed. You can earn more in one GP, than what you would doing all your home meetings. Said it before...would much rather watch and be entertained by some 'middle order riders', giving it their all, on similar tuned bikes, than watching a GP rider on the very best machinery blast it around at the front. GP's are competitive and entertaining, because the riders all have highly tuned, expensive fast bikes. It even's them out. I really don't see the 'Entertainment' in watching a GP rider roar away from 'middle order' riders, in a Club meeting, just because he has the funds to spend on tuning his bikes and make them faster. I totally agree. I'd rather see no GP riders racing in this Country. Would much rather watch 'middle order' riders giving 100% commitment, riding for their Club and having their best machinery here. After hearing yesterday what some of the GP riders take home after appearing in each GP, then I understand why some of them have no interest in riding for Clubs in this Country and being committed. You can earn more in one GP, than what you would doing all your home meetings. And thats just GP's.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 I totally agree. I'd rather see no GP riders racing in this Country. Would much rather watch 'middle order' riders giving 100% commitment, riding for their Club and having their best machinery here. After hearing yesterday what some of the GP riders take home after appearing in each GP, then I understand why some of them have no interest in riding for Clubs in this Country and being committed. You can earn more in one GP, than what you would doing all your home meetings. Said it before...would much rather watch and be entertained by some 'middle order riders', giving it their all, on similar tuned bikes, than watching a GP rider on the very best machinery blast it around at the front. GP's are competitive and entertaining, because the riders all have highly tuned, expensive fast bikes. It even's them out. I really don't see the 'Entertainment' in watching a GP rider roar away from 'middle order' riders, in a Club meeting, just because he has the funds to spend on tuning his bikes and make them faster. You have been informed wrong regarding Gp riders pay, some find it very demanding on there expenses 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Wolverhampton Select on Friday. Lindgren. Masters, Riss all missing, 5th May and still no full teams at Oak Tree this season. Perhaps Somerset need to change their race night, Will not attend while this farce continues, League winners decided by who picks the best guests.. Think admission prices should be reduced if Stars absent. Not Somerset's fault feel sorry for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) Agreed...it's not the prize money, but the sponsorship. One rider mentioned to me, takes approx. £48,000 per GP. £4000 per Polish meeting, £3200 per Swedish and £2800 per British, when here. That's regardless of what they score per meeting....absolutely no incentive to do well here or be committed. Agree.Doyle is the only "top" rider doing any good.The other 2 are getting paid for nowt.Earn your money is what I say I heard last season that a certain top rider was earning 30k a week riding in 3 leagues.So if the to top guys get a 3k guarantee.No wonder why they don't give a rubbish.Maybe ride here for some reason ??.Mr Holder Edited May 4, 2017 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 You have been informed wrong regarding Gp riders pay, some find it very demanding on there expenses I'm sure you are right fella, some riders will be on a lot less than others. But SOME riders are on fantastic money from their sponsors. I only mentioned what one rider 'allegedly' earns...and that was from another rider, who's never been wrong with his info before, so I'm not likely to disbelieve him this time. I've heard the spiel first hand to potential sponsors...I'm sure you have too ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Agree.Doyle is the only "top" rider doing any good.The other 2 are getting paid for nowt.Earn your money is what I say I heard last season that a certain top rider was earning 30k a week riding in 3 leagues.So if the to top guys get a 3k guarantee.No wonder why they don't give a rubbish.Maybe ride here for some reason ??.Mr Holder Yeah, in his last 3 home meetings, admittedly Freddie has got two maximums but in the other only managed a paid maximum. And only finishing 2nd in the first GP, what's he playing at, getting paid for nothing that bloke!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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