Bald Bloke Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 (edited) A pitiful performance. Time for changes I think. Unless he suddenly hits form, the Management must be regretting signing Chris Holder on such a high average. Maybe Poole knew something we didn't? He will no doubt up his average from what it is now(about 5.5).By maybe 2 points or so,or get rid now have have over 12 points to play with.I know what i'd do. They should scrap the 2 or 3k guarantee and let the top riders earn their money. Edited May 1, 2017 by Bald Bloke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Thoroughly predictable. All the pre season optimism has pretty much evaporated. I don't think the side is that bad but without a number one scoring a dozen or more every week it magnifies any issues lower down. This team was built around a world class number one and a strong senior reserve, tonight we had neither and that's the result. As for the Olly Allen suggestions, I would like to know what makes him such a good candidate for TM and if those credentials are so appealing then why he hasn't got a job elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 A pitiful performance. Time for changes I think. Unless he suddenly hits form, the Management must be regretting signing Chris Holder on such a high average. Maybe Poole knew something we didn't?Poor Chris. Gotta feel for him with all the stuff he's going through at the moment :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 You have changes on the brain, let Holder go to score points for somebody else madness.Who the hell would sign Holder on 13 when he's not even averaging 6? There's plenty of PL riders who can come in and get that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theboss Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 As for the Olly Allen suggestions, I would like to know what makes him such a good candidate for TM and if those credentials are so appealing then why he hasn't got a job elsewhere. Having personally worked with Olly when he was our team captain I can vouch that his professionalism, attention to detail, and knowledge of riding at this level on the majority of tracks would make him the perfect candidate. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunce Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Poor Chris. Gotta feel for him with all the stuff he's going through at the moment You don't say what those problems are, and I am not party to them, but the guy is a professional speedway rider who is paid handsomely by Kings Lynn to be their number one rider, and hopefully score lots of points. If he has problems that are affecting his ability to do that, then he is surely taking the michael. I think, on his day, Chris Holder is a great rider but my team comes before any individual rider and if he is going to continue to underperform, then the management need to look at the problem and find a solution quickly. There is nothing I would like better than to see Chris whack in some big scores and hopefully lead from the front, but at the moment there is no sign of that happening. With the exception of Robert Lambert tonights "performance" at Wolves was truly awful, and as others have already said, we need to act quickly to stop the rot or we will have a repeat of last season when we sat on our hands too long and paid the price. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Who the hell would sign Holder on 13 when he's not even averaging 6? There's plenty of PL riders who can come in and get that.Good luck with that theory coming from someone who said Thorssell should be replaced ooops!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynnboy Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Having personally worked with Olly when he was our team captain I can vouch that his professionalism, attention to detail, and knowledge of riding at this level on the majority of tracks would make him the perfect candidate. What would you do if you was still in charge Jonathan would you make team changes and if so who and what would you do with the team manager ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 (edited) Who the hell would sign Holder on 13 when he's not even averaging 6? There's plenty of PL riders who can come in and get that. Lynn would.To be fair Chris started poor last year.But with these inflated aves i'd let him go now.To late when the new averages come out. I don't know what he is going through(as mentioned) but Lynn have got to be harsh if they want to win anything. Wolves and Rye didn't mess about.Wolves look a different team with Rory slotted in and Wells is scoring over double than Davy did. Edited May 1, 2017 by Bald Bloke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Well done to the boys tonight. Shame I missed the match. Good to see us winning at home where others failed. Onwards and upwards. Looking forward to see Lambert in the B fixture. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 If you have to eat your words m8, I dare you to come out of 'incognito' and post a picture of yourself eating them Still hungry Apart from Lambert Kings Lynn offered very little and using Holder as a tactical ride against Sclein and Thorssell around Monmore they obviously got confused between May 1st and April 1st. On a day where Aces and Pirates suffer shock defeats at home, Wolves never looked like dropping anything here and if it wasn't for falls by Riss and Howarth it could have been more embarrassing for the travelling fans, As much as Kings Lynn were poor, Wolves were also in tune and everyone contributed and Nathan Greaves has got his Gerhard engine sorted and scoring the points required and more. He has to try and stop locking up though as it kills his speed and was very nearly t boned more than once. At the start of the season I predicted Aces, Pirates, Rockets and Wolves as the clear favourites for the play offs and while some predicted Stars would be up there, they looked more like relegation contenders and the weakest team to have visited Monmore Green so far this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Surely it's got to the point Holder has to go. Drop Holder and Bailey and bring in two 6-9 point PL (Championship) riders. Worrall, Lawson, Palm Toft and Heeps would all be better as a pair than the 5-7 Holder is getting and would drop Rose to reserve too. Most importantly it's gets rid of the piss taking Holder from GB speedway. Or at this stage do u wait and strengthen when the new averages come out? As it stands how many points do kl have to play with? Knowing holder will put 2-3 points on the sub 6 average he would have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Thoroughly predictable. All the pre season optimism has pretty much evaporated. I don't think the side is that bad but without a number one scoring a dozen or more every week it magnifies any issues lower down. This team was built around a world class number one and a strong senior reserve, tonight we had neither and that's the result. As for the Olly Allen suggestions, I would like to know what makes him such a good candidate for TM and if those credentials are so appealing then why he hasn't got a job elsewhere. Allit was in the right place at the right time what is clear his motivational skills is zero - Olly Allen is an ex rider who can relate to the riders and the riders have more respect towards him . Allit should have stayed with the young stars and Pboro . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee 26 Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Could a Holder/KK swop be on the cards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Allit was in the right place at the right time what is clear his motivational skills is zero - Olly Allen is an ex rider who can relate to the riders and the riders have more respect towards him . Allit should have stayed with the young stars and Pboro . . I am of the same thoughts as you. It ok to assemble new kids on the block into a team and TELL them what is expected of them, But to Manage season professionals is a different ball game.. How do you instruct, Motivate, or install confidence when you have never been there yourself..... Manager/ Motivators such as Middleditch, Lemon, Rossiter, Louis, and Tatum have immense experience from their riding days and demand respect, We need to appoint somebody similar, An exrider would to be an obvious answer......... Anything would be better than we have at present....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 What really do you lot know about the job Dale is doing, are you in the pits with him, have you spoken at length with him, have you spoken to all the riders? With respect I think probably not and you are all surmising. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrss Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Trees get your head out of the clouds. Dale Allitt is a decent guy but he is not a team manager. He is not the person to motivate the riders . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Trees get your head out of the clouds. Dale Allitt is a decent guy but he is not a team manager. He is not the person to motivate the riders .You haven't answered my questions above. How are you qualified to state that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 The argument about it being an ex rider is weak when, as pointed out elsewhere, Peter Adams, Rob Lyon, Ian Thomas etc weren't riders and have all been very successful. Dale might be the problem, he might not but people are guessing that he is. He's not responsible for Holder's failings this season unless he's there with him in Poland and the GP's too and that is where 75% of the problems lie. It's all doom and gloom but get Holder going and a number seven in who can contribute more and things will look a lot brighter. I wouldn't necessarily disagree with giving Holder the heave ho but can't see it happening. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Could a Holder/KK swop be on the cards?I'm gonna go with no! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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