Tsunami Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 If this is correct and I assume it is - that "BAGS meesting keep many dog tracks open. They really don't make anything from the people in the stadium, who usually get in free. The filmed racing is sold around the world for very good money, particularly the Far East, and can be a track's biggest source of income. BAGS income a Brough Park is I believe the biggest and is in excess of £500.000." Why Oh Why do the BSPA not try their best to emulate a profit making role for filmed speedway racing to be sold around the world on a profitable basis ( yes I am aware that it is for gambling and that can be open to corruption ) but if it can make greyhound racing popular and profitable around the world it could do the same regardless of how many fans are on the terraces? I have pushed the idea for two or three years of screening live Pay Per View UK speedway matches. It would have been a better investment bet than the Gerhard engine strategy. Over 10 years out of date. In the early 00's there was a plan to create a live actual meeting using an actual meeting, with transponders on the riders bikes, and they would covert the signals onto a digitised riders on a simulated track. That's why the much laughed at green Helmet cover was introduced. It would have allowed people at home and abroad, the opportunity to bet on races live, with the profit being the BSPA's, after overheads were taken care of. Technical difficulties stopped the initiative, but betting would have been a saviour in those days. Fans laughed at the idea of the green helmet cover, but it was pivotal to the idea for this extra money stream. All promoters attended presentations in London, and it was impressive and looked likely to succeed. I believe horse racing has something similar now called Park Court, or something like that. Digitised horse with riders on, are shown racing for betting purposes. The Far East was the targeted market. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Over 10 years out of date. In the early 00's there was a plan to create a live actual meeting using an actual meeting, with transponders on the riders bikes, and they would covert the signals onto a digitised riders on a simulated track. That's why the much laughed at green Helmet cover was introduced. It would have allowed people at home and abroad, the opportunity to bet on races live, with the profit being the BSPA's, after overheads were taken care of. Technical difficulties stopped the initiative, but betting would have been a saviour in those days. Fans laughed at the idea of the green helmet cover, but it was pivotal to the idea for this extra money stream. All promoters attended presentations in London, and it was impressive and looked likely to succeed. I believe horse racing has something similar now called Park Court, or something like that. Digitised horse with riders on, are shown racing for betting purposes. The Far East was the targeted market. Very interesting Tsunami. I had no idea about any of that. :approve: Cheers for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 (edited) Over 10 years out of date. In the early 00's there was a plan to create a live actual meeting using an actual meeting, with transponders on the riders bikes, and they would covert the signals onto a digitised riders on a simulated track. That's why the much laughed at green Helmet cover was introduced. It would have allowed people at home and abroad, the opportunity to bet on races live, with the profit being the BSPA's, after overheads were taken care of. Technical difficulties stopped the initiative, but betting would have been a saviour in those days. Fans laughed at the idea of the green helmet cover, but it was pivotal to the idea for this extra money stream. All promoters attended presentations in London, and it was impressive and looked likely to succeed. I believe horse racing has something similar now called Park Court, or something like that. Digitised horse with riders on, are shown racing for betting purposes. The Far East was the targeted market. So absolutely nothing to do with what Waytogo is proposing. Horse Racing has nothing similar to this crackpot idea. There is 'virtual racing' but that is nothing to do with horses with transponders on. There is also 'virtual speedway' on a number of betting sites. Neither of them will be any sort of money spinner when there is so much 'real' action you can bet on. The pay per view streaming of meetings is an interesting idea that could be explored, but it will never happen as the promoters will immediately think of the first negative that comes into their heads and bin any idea... which has been the ongoing problem in the sport for decades. Hence.. it it where it is. Edited April 29, 2017 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 (edited) If this is correct and I assume it is - that "BAGS meesting keep many dog tracks open. They really don't make anything from the people in the stadium, who usually get in free. The filmed racing is sold around the world for very good money, particularly the Far East, and can be a track's biggest source of income. BAGS income a Brough Park is I believe the biggest and is in excess of £500.000." Why Oh Why do the BSPA not try their best to emulate a profit making role for filmed speedway racing to be sold around the world on a profitable basis ( yes I am aware that it is for gambling and that can be open to corruption ) but if it can make greyhound racing popular and profitable around the world it could do the same regardless of how many fans are on the terraces? I have pushed the idea for two or three years of screening live Pay Per View UK speedway matches. It would have been a better investment bet than the Gerhard engine strategy. I think the comparison is a slightly unfair one, although I see your point.. I think your view of BAGS contracts keeping dog tracks open is correct - I heard one speedway promoter was terrified that he might lose his - but greyhound racing is all about betting, nothing else. The television coverage is just so that people in bookies can bet on meetings without even being there and see what is going on, which is better than just hearing the results over a tannoy for sure. Betting in speedway certainly exists but it is a much, much lower level and is nowhere near as important. Speedway is about people supporting teams or just liking the racing and I doubt that there are many who go to a bookies just to watch the dogs running round. Edited April 29, 2017 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 (edited) If this is correct and I assume it is - that "BAGS meesting keep many dog tracks open. They really don't make anything from the people in the stadium, who usually get in free. The filmed racing is sold around the world for very good money, particularly the Far East, and can be a track's biggest source of income. BAGS income a Brough Park is I believe the biggest and is in excess of £500.000." Why Oh Why do the BSPA not try their best to emulate a profit making role for filmed speedway racing to be sold around the world on a profitable basis ( yes I am aware that it is for gambling and that can be open to corruption ) but if it can make greyhound racing popular and profitable around the world it could do the same regardless of how many fans are on the terraces? I have pushed the idea for two or three years of screening live Pay Per View UK speedway matches. It would have been a better investment bet than the Gerhard engine strategy. So absolutely nothing to do with what Waytogo is proposing. Yes, of course it has nothing to do with making money for transmitted speedway racing. What a muppet. Edited April 29, 2017 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Yes, of course it has nothing to do with making money for transmitted speedway racing. What a muppet. Correct, transmitting an event with graphics linked to transponders has absolutely nothing to do with pay per view speedway. The very fact that you think Horse Racing has 'something similar' says it all... Not a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid Sprocket Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Something in the People last Sunday about the possibility of Greyhound racing being banned, anyone see it? That would really put a spanner in the works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Something in the People last Sunday about the possibility of Greyhound racing being banned, anyone see it? That would really put a spanner in the works. It certainly would. Did they give any reason why Greyhound Racing should be banned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid Sprocket Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 It certainly would. Did they give any reason why Greyhound Racing should be banned? I think mainly from the cruelty point of view, the treatment of retired greyhounds, in which they have a point but it will put many speedway supporters between a rock and a hard place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) I think speedway racing is the dogs bollox - compared to watching the dogs bollox chasing a hare for a couple of laps!! Edited April 30, 2017 by Skidder1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 I think mainly from the cruelty point of view, the treatment of retired greyhounds, in which they have a point but it will put many speedway supporters between a rock and a hard place. I love my Speedway, but I would put the welfare of a Dog before it every day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 I love my Speedway, but I would put the welfare of a Dog before it every day. Went to a couple of Dog Meetings...out of curiosity more than anything but not my thing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid Sprocket Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Vanishing posts. i have signed up to be notified when new posts are made. Today under this topic I have been notified of at least two posts but when I log on to the forum the new posts are no where to be seen, any thoughts? Are we being censored? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Vanishing posts. i have signed up to be notified when new posts are made. Today under this topic I have been notified of at least two posts but when I log on to the forum the new posts are no where to be seen, any thoughts? Are we being censored? I hope not. :unsure: :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 reasonably well balanced teams, a clear league structure, lots of young brits coming through why wouldn't crowds pick up 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 (edited) Vanishing posts. i have signed up to be notified when new posts are made. Today under this topic I have been notified of at least two posts but when I log on to the forum the new posts are no where to be seen, any thoughts? Are we being censored? I hope not. :unsure: :unsure: Skid Sprocket - May I suggest you indicate your problem in this BSF thread? I have found it most useful in the past. Support Forum Edited May 2, 2017 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorrentino Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) On 4/21/2017 at 5:17 AM, RPNYC said: i have signed up to be notified when new posts are made. Today under this topic I have been notified of at least two posts but when I log on to the forum the new posts are no where to be seen, any thoughts? Are we being censored? It would be great to see the numbers of the crowds based ony year. Edited October 25, 2021 by Sorrentino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 It would be great to see the numbers of the crowds based ony year. Not likely to happen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid Sprocket Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 It would be great to see the numbers of the crowds based ony year. Not likely to happen though. It could happen if we all pulled together as a group and put pressure on the BSPA. I suggested a poll of members a while ago to see if there was sufficient numbers wanting to know but no one came up with a way to set up a poll. Even if we cant be told the figures I would like to know the reason why not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 It could happen if we all pulled together as a group and put pressure on the BSPA. I suggested a poll of members a while ago to see if there was sufficient numbers wanting to know but no one came up with a way to set up a poll. Even if we cant be told the figures I would like to know the reason why not. I can think of two possibilities. Tax reasons as has been mentioned before. or PR reasons - who is going to come out on a cold night to support a Sport that can only attract a few hundred people and a dog. Far better to leave folk in their ignorance and hope that they come along anyway. I am sure that if you published very low numbers - it would probably put people off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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