Tsunami Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) Whilst I also would like to see less time wasted during the meeting by excess grading and intervals, I think the delay for heat 15 is something else. It is for norminated riders who are top 3 by averages or top 3 scorers on the night for programmed rides. Whilst a TM might know who he wants in it, there are other considerations such as who has never had a heat 15 and has had a good night. A rider decides that he doesn't want heat 15 for either engine or injury probs and the result of heat 14 being good for his team will allow someone else to ride without chucking away a good result. Once decided , there are gates to be decided and a pair of the best tyres identified and changed to give themselves an advantage. The track deserves to be graded for what should be the biggest race of the night, and this grading means that a second half has a semi-decent track surface for the juniors to ride on without anymore grading. Given something like a delay of 5 minutes for it, it can build up the tension for a race which can only have the better riders in it. Is that not worth planning for the fans and waiting to see what could be the best race of the night. Who or why would anybody bugger off after heat 14 and deliberately miss heat 15. Edited April 22, 2017 by Tsunami 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) I'd like to know why Coventry only had one rider in heat 15 of the Peterborough match after hanging around for ages.They were paid fixed amounts for the meeting so nothing to be gained financially from an extra ride. Only one rider wanted some extra practice on what was by then a very slick track! Still doesn't explain the lengthy delay though! Edited April 21, 2017 by WembleyLion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Far too long. TWELVE minutes. As I asked earlier - how long does it take to choose two Riders from Seven? Most of the time your 'Number On' goes out in Heat 15 followed by one from six. Can't be that hard for goodness sake. I still contend that twelve minutes is too long to be standing freezing your bollox off in March, April or October. Whatever happened to consideration for your Public/Customers? i agree 12 minutes is too long but i listed what i thought should be a maximum and by maximum ive given a little leway for times when it is awkward to pick or a rider needs time to repair something or recover from a hard ht 14 unless theres track work or injurys and such like there shouldnt really be a gap of more than 10 mins between heats obviously some tracks take a intervfell for various reasons but this should be kept to a minimum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted April 22, 2017 Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 (edited) They were paid fixed amounts for the meeting so nothing to be gained financially from an extra ride. Only one rider wanted some extra practice on what was by then a very slick track! Still doesn't explain the lengthy delay though! Still a poor show considering what the match was all about and the hundreds of Bees fans who had made the journey. .......Tsunami........Given something like a delay of 5 minutes for it, it can build up the tension for a race which can only have the better riders in it. Is that not worth planning for the fans and waiting to see what could be the best race of the night. I don't think anyone is moaning about 5 minutes but it's often much longer than that. Who or why would anybody bugger off after heat 14 and deliberately miss heat 15. Steve Shovlar at Leicester last season when Poole had no chance of winning? To be serious though I don't blame him considering the journey ahead and how busy the car park is. Steve Shovlar at the Poole v Coventry final in 2010 when Poole had no chance of winning? I think he may have left well before heat 15 but again I don't blame him as he had a plane to catch to Rome. Edited April 22, 2017 by Gemini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 22, 2017 Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 I'd like to know why Coventry only had one rider in heat 15 of the Peterborough match after hanging around for ages. Basically because none of the others wanted to do it It's more the announcing that annoys me , doing texting for the updates site can be a pain when riders are making their way onto the track before the announcer has told us the line up . That's so annoying and unfortunately it happens regularly at Peterborough, even more so when they announce who is in the race when they are at the tapes ready to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 22, 2017 Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 Someone tell them excitement doesn't build while people are stood around doing sod all! In the cold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted April 22, 2017 Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 ......bigcatdiary.........Basically because none of the others wanted to do it. Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 22, 2017 Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 Basically because none of the others wanted to do it That's so annoying and unfortunately it happens regularly at Peterborough, even more so when they announce who is in the race when they are at the tapes ready to go. What about the paying Public? :sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted April 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 So to sum up. The delay before heat 15 is because.... the track needs to be rebuilt the team managers need a long time to work out what the rest of us knew 20 minutes ago the best tyre has to be found and fitted to the nominated riders machines we're all wetting ourselves with anticipation So why is this delay so universally disliked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 22, 2017 Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 So to sum up. The delay before heat 15 is because.... the track needs to be rebuilt the team managers need a long time to work out what the rest of us knew 20 minutes ago the best tyre has to be found and fitted to the nominated riders machines we're all wetting ourselves with anticipation So why is this delay so universally disliked? In my case it is incontinence. :D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 22, 2017 Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 So to sum up. The delay before heat 15 is because.... the track needs to be rebuilt the team managers need a long time to work out what the rest of us knew 20 minutes ago the best tyre has to be found and fitted to the nominated riders machines we're all wetting ourselves with anticipation So why is this delay so universally disliked? Because it is often cold. Fans either want to see a second half or get off home. The away fans could have a long journey home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 22, 2017 Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 Add 2 or 3 mins if you have Schlein and Barker setting up a handbags at dawn confrontation about whos elbow is over the others gate position 😆😆 Personally I dont mind that at all - like to see that they actually care. 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted April 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 Add 2 or 3 mins if you have Schlein and Barker setting up a handbags at dawn confrontation about whos elbow is over the others gate position Personally I dont mind that at all - like to see that they actually care. Well I agree with that. At least at that point we know for certain who is racing and which gate (and a half) they are starting in. A real sense of anticipation. Contrast this with no apparent action, no update from the announcer, no idea when the unknown racers are going to appear. I was little taken aback by the earlier suggestion that we should scrap heat 15. But you know, in the old days under say the old 13 heat formula, there was no delay getting on with the final heat. Sure there was shuffling at the start. Riders turning away and playing mind games. But the crowd got involved. Shouting at their opponents. Geeing on their own heros etc. Maybe we should all buy megaphones and shout at the pit area, "Why are we waiting". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Well I agree with that. At least at that point we know for certain who is racing and which gate (and a half) they are starting in. A real sense of anticipation. Contrast this with no apparent action, no update from the announcer, no idea when the unknown racers are going to appear. I was little taken aback by the earlier suggestion that we should scrap heat 15. But you know, in the old days under say the old 13 heat formula, there was no delay getting on with the final heat. Sure there was shuffling at the start. Riders turning away and playing mind games. But the crowd got involved. Shouting at their opponents. Geeing on their own heros etc. Maybe we should all buy megaphones and shout at the pit area, "Why are we waiting". Great idea - but only one problem. I doubt they would let you in with a Megaphone - or if they did they would eject you as soon as you tried to use it. So you wouldn't get to see Heat 15 anyway. You just can't win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Great idea - but only one problem. I doubt they would let you in with a Megaphone - or if they did they would eject you as soon as you tried to use it. So you wouldn't get to see Heat 15 anyway. You just can't win. we have 2 in our section at Foxhall. 📣📢 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 we have 2 in our section at Foxhall. But do they not use them as ear trumpets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 But do they not use them as ear trumpets.pardon 😜 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Great idea - but only one problem. I doubt they would let you in with a Megaphone - or if they did they would eject you as soon as you tried to use it. So you wouldn't get to see Heat 15 anyway. You just can't win. Theres been a couple at Berwick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 They'll probably be another one when Shads gets up there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 They'll probably be another one when Shads gets up there. Naughty Gemini - very naughty. :nono: :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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