Albert Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 On last night's performance against Edinburgh Berge can certainly F*** off our way, always in the thick of the action and unlucky not to score more. I won't happen.. nor am I suggesting it does... but out of interest, would Berwick fans fancy a swap deal... say Berge for Wilkinson?... Wilko's going pretty well this year, averaging about 6-7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Why change Wilko? Scoring nearly 7 at home & 5 away which is probably what Rob & D Peet were hoping for. AT home can get 1st, 2nd or 3rds regularly(don't know why he is not riding wide much now) & hoping away, he gets 3rd places & wins heat 8. The top 5 do not need changing as it's just the problematic reserves. If the new averages allow, the new no 6 could be anything around the 6 point mark if re-declaring to 42, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Why change Wilko? Scoring nearly 7 at home & 5 away which is probably what Rob & D Peet were hoping for. AT home can get 1st, 2nd or 3rds regularly(don't know why he is not riding wide much now) & hoping away, he gets 3rd places & wins heat 8. The top 5 do not need changing as it's just the problematic reserves. If the new averages allow, the new no 6 could be anything around the 6 point mark if re-declaring to 42, Read again.. I wasnt suggesting that we change Wilko, hypothetical question... It was a question fo Berwick fans.. Would they take that swap if it was offered or would they put their faith in Berge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits4eva Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Read again.. I wasnt suggesting that we change Wilko, hypothetical question... It was a question fo Berwick fans.. Would they take that swap if it was offered or would they put their faith in Berge? Had that t-shirt already.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 On SGB website averages include bonus points? Is this the case as I thought that they wasn't included? Stefan Nielsen could be our other NL rider if Bridger doesn't count Just read the bottom of the page and seen that bonus points are not included so nevermind. Read again.. I wasnt suggesting that we change Wilko, hypothetical question... It was a question fo Berwick fans.. Would they take that swap if it was offered or would they put their faith in Berge? At this moment in time Wilko is better than Berge but I think that Wilko is similar to Pijper and Wethers and to me would be a step backwards although I rate him as a rider and is nice to see that he is doing well this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Where are you getting this one from? Most teams were set up with a 2 pointer but not all. Certainly not us and Redcar. Was 2 not set as the minimum for new ex-NL riders? indeed - for 2 ptr read NL elligible. (My bad 😆) Must say I saidcCarr couldnt be No7 as he is not NL elligible this year due to his average. However the part of the regs quoted earlier dont appear to be worded in that way (which is a change) It appears now to just be previously ridden in or elligible for NL which would allow Carr at 7.Still I think with min 3 average rather than 2 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Latest rumour, and we all like a rumour don`t we, is that its Berge and Vissing out with Patrik Hougaard and Stefan Nielsen in. Seems loittle doubt that it will be Berge and Vissing who leave but club but who comes is anyones guess at the minute. No idea on averages or points it would leave us but I would make two changes, maybe three. For the good of the team I would let Berge and Carr go, and depending on length of absence due to injury Blacklock to. That of course would mean keeping Vissing but he has shown this season he is capable of hitting big scores so maybe a sit down between rider and manager would sort thing out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scunny2012 Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) I won't happen.. nor am I suggesting it does... but out of interest, would Berwick fans fancy a swap deal... say Berge for Wilkinson?... Wilko's going pretty well this year, averaging about 6-7. Strangely I was going to post the same thing but knew I would get shot down in flames, I suppose the idea came into my mind when Wilko was meekly passed by Max Clegg in the Edinburgh match yes Max Clegg a rider who doesn't pass much. Edited April 24, 2017 by Scunny2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 OK, let's settle a few misplaced ideas: 18.7.2 An SGB Championship Team's initial Declaration must not exceed 40.00 and must include at least 2 riders who have competed in or are eligible to enter the National Development League (Conference League), one of which must be at #7 by CMA. 18.7.3 It must not exceed 42.00 points in any re-declaration following the issue of established CMA’s for 2017, except where the MA of the introduced rider is equal to, or lower than the rider being replaced. Any re-declaration must still include 2 riders who have competed in or are eligible to enter the National Development League (Conference League) So, from that point, any Berwick redeclaration has to include two former Conference riders --- the really important question therefore being -- will Lewis Bridger's appearances for Weymouth in 2005 qualify him as the second such rider? If so, then Liam can become the No 7 with a 3 (not 2) assessed average. Like Mitch Davey or Ellis Perks for instance, he is not new to our league, and can't go below a 3. If Bridger isn't considered to be within that rule (although as it is written, no reason why he shouldn't be) then the re-declaration must still have two such riders -- presumably Liam and Ryan Blacklock. In addition, we have to remember every team has to have two British riders in all declarations, regardless of other qualifications. OK, folks -- back to your hypothetical drawing-boards! Surely Bridger's PL (Championship) average means he's no longer eligible for the NL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 indeed - for 2 ptr read NL elligible. (My bad 😆) Must say I saidcCarr couldnt be No7 as he is not NL elligible this year due to his average. However the part of the regs quoted earlier dont appear to be worded in that way (which is a change) It appears now to just be previously ridden in or elligible for NL which would allow Carr at 7.Still I think with min 3 average rather than 2 though. I agree with Taps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Surely Bridger's PL (Championship) average means he's no longer eligible for the NL? The rule now states "who have competed in ..... " It does not -- as written -- require a rider to be currently eligible. Interesting times...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Surely Bridger's PL (Championship) average means he's no longer eligible for the NL?It says 2 riders who have competed in or are eligible?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) The rule now states "who have competed in ..... " It does not -- as written -- require a rider to be currently eligible. Interesting times...... It says "or is eligible". If his average is too high, he's not eligible, that's my point. It says 2 riders who have competed in or are eligible?... And, as I say above, I'm questioning his eligibility. Edited April 24, 2017 by Steve Park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 It says "or is eligible". If his average is too high, he's not eligible, that's my point. And, as I say above, I'm questioning his eligibility. I have no idea what your point is? The rule says 2 riders who have rode in the NL or are eligible to do so aka under a 4 average but never rode in it as far as I'm aware. Bridger rode in it in 2005 and Carr rode in it last year as well as Blacklock riding in it last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) I have no idea what your point is? The rule says 2 riders who have rode in the NL or are eligible to do so aka under a 4 average but never rode in it as far as I'm aware. Bridger rode in it in 2005 and Carr rode in it last year as well as Blacklock riding in it last year.If your are going a wording technicalities and it says NL there was not an NL in 2005 it was the Conference League.The NL started in 2009. Edited April 24, 2017 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 If your are going a wording technicalities and it says NL there was not an NL in 2005 it was the Conference League.The NL started in 2009. As the rule acknowledges. As quoted above. It says NDL then says (Conference League) in brackets to clarify its point of their being the same level of competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 As the rule acknowledges. As quoted above. It says NDL then says (Conference League) in brackets to clarify its point of their being the same level of competition. As the rule acknowledges. As quoted above. It says NDL then says (Conference League) in brackets to clarify its point of their being the same level of competition.Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember06 Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Had that t-shirt already....Point being though he's a rider that gets stuck in, honest wholehearted kind of rider that every team needs. Berge on the other side is the worst rider for Berwick I've ever seen. I'd rather have a Wilko/Wethers type of rider than Berge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaky11 Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 On SGB website averages include bonus points? Is this the case as I thought that they wasn't included? Stefan Nielsen could be our other NL rider if Bridger doesn't count Seems Scunny have had the same idea and announced Stefan Nielsen as the replacement for Fritz Wallner tonight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scunny2012 Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Point being though he's a rider that gets stuck in, honest wholehearted kind of rider that every team needs. Berge on the other side is the worst rider for Berwick I've ever seen. I'd rather have a Wilko/Wethers type of rider than Berge. We must have got a different Berge on Sunday at Scunny as he really got stuck deserved to be in heat 15 but wasn't selected where as Wilkinson was a bit disappointing even being passed by Max Clegg quite easily in one race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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