Haza Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 What Ive seen Pboro also produces great racing sadly Kings Lynn is a stock car stadium that happens to hold speedway as well 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I am in no doubt the biggest probelm with todays tracks are the design of todays bikes. These bikes prefer striaght lines and big corners which enabling the throttle to be permanently open.. The NSS epitomises this design but they have a wide raceway that others aren't able to copy.. So rather than try to make all tracks similar, why not try to slow the bikes down to create a more racing environment. Let make more tracks like Monmore ( Wolves Track) forcing rider to be more articulate instead of being speed merchants.. I have nothing against Craig Cook's 15pt max on Wednesday, but he had the fastest bike, and if we put any of the top riders on that, the other night, they would have achieved something similar. It seem strange that the previous night he was far less successful on a more technical track. I think the shape at Lynn needs to change, but only in making the corners wider and sharper, meaning the riders have to shut the throttle on entry. I know this must be against the philosophy of the sport, but we want to watch competitive races and not processions of the fastest bike wins... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I am in no doubt the biggest probelm with todays tracks are the design of todays bikes. These bikes prefer striaght lines and big corners which enabling the throttle to be permanently open.. The NSS epitomises this design but they have a wide raceway that others aren't able to copy.. So rather than try to make all tracks similar, why not try to slow the bikes down to create a more racing environment. Let make more tracks like Monmore ( Wolves Track) forcing rider to be more articulate instead of being speed merchants.. I have nothing against Craig Cook's 15pt max on Wednesday, but he had the fastest bike, and if we put any of the top riders on that, the other night, they would have achieved something similar. It seem strange that the previous night he was far less successful on a more technical track. I think the shape at Lynn needs to change, but only in making the corners wider and sharper, meaning the riders have to shut the throttle on entry. I know this must be against the philosophy of the sport, but we want to watch competitive races and not processions of the fastest bike wins... I can't think of anything worse than small track speedway. The NSS has shown the way forward and the AFA has the room to be adapted in similar fashion. Regards to speed, slowing bikes down will make no difference as someone will always have a faster bike than the rest. Untouchable maximums have happened for years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I can't think of anything worse than small track speedway. The NSS has shown the way forward and the AFA has the room to be adapted in similar fashion. Regards to speed, slowing bikes down will make no difference as someone will always have a faster bike than the rest. Untouchable maximums have happened for years. And by the sound of it there can't be anything worse than a poorly prepared track that provides poor racing. At least we had some great racing on Tuesday. (queue for the aces fans to say otherwise). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeds Pirate Blue Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Sounds like the second time this year Belle Vue have taken advantage of team seen as title-contenders on their travels by out-gating the home side on a very slick and dusty track. I'd suggest the lesson to be learned here is simple - Belle Vue are a side that can ride ultra-slick tracks very well. If you allow your home track to be prepped in such a way when the Aces visit, you're asking for trouble. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) Sounds like the second time this year Belle Vue have taken advantage of team seen as title-contenders on their travels by out-gating the home side on a very slick and dusty track. I'd suggest the lesson to be learned here is simple - Belle Vue are a side that can ride ultra-slick tracks very well. If you allow your home track to be prepped in such a way when the Aces visit, you're asking for trouble.I was wondering how we managed an unlucky 2 point loss at Poole. Most tracks are very slick these days so making them grippy is more likely to disadvantage the home side. Funny how some Poole fans need to find reasons other than we were the better team on the night for our doing well so far this season. At least if I decide to join in the game I've got my excuses for any slip up at the NSS tonight. 1. We followed the rules, unlike Somerset, in using r/r for Bjerre. 2. Leicester were underhand changing their team at the 11th hour and bringing in NSS specialist MPT for Auty,instead of Heeps for Riss. 3. We have got used to ultra slick tracks on our travels and so had no home track advantage.😂😂😂 Edited April 21, 2017 by Aces51 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 And by the sound of it there can't be anything worse than a poorly prepared track that provides poor racing. At least we had some great racing on Tuesday. (queue for the aces fans to say otherwise). Spot on. Size and shape does affect the quality but its far, far more about preparation. Now matter how good your track shape is if you sod that up the racing will be rubbish. Sheffield and King's Lynn used to be good racing tracks. No reason why they can't be again. I can't think of anything worse than small track speedway. You can't have been to Plymouth. I have seen some fantastic speedway there and it remains one of my favourite tracks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynnboy Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Spot on. Size and shape does affect the quality but its far, far more about preparation. Now matter how good your track shape is if you sod that up the racing will be rubbish. Sheffield and King's Lynn used to be good racing tracks. No reason why they can't be again. You can't have been to Plymouth. I have seen some fantastic speedway there and it remains one of my favourite tracks. Mildenhall always use to be one of my favourite tracks but that was about 20 years ago have heard it's not too good now though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeds Pirate Blue Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) I was wondering how we managed an unlucky 2 point loss at Poole. Most tracks are very slick these days so making them grippy is more likely to disadvantage the home side. Funny how some Poole fans need to find reasons other than we were the better team on the night for our doing well so far this season. Your interpretation of my post is misplaced. You are suggesting that I was implying Belle Vue were inferior, which is not true. Firstly I was talking about the Kings Lynn v Belle Vue match, and drew comparisons to their performance on a track that saw similar comments made about it (slick, dusty, poor spectacle for fans). Belle Vue were the better team at Wimborne Road on that particular night. It so happened that the track was as slick as I've personally seen it in a long time, and the Aces were much faster from the gate all meeting long, and punished the Pirates for it, albeit they lost due to Bjerre's engine failure when leading Heat 15. "Most tracks are very slick these days" - sure, and most curry's are "hot", but that doesn't make a Korma the same spiciness and a Phall does it? When the Aces came to visit, the track was especially slick, and Belle Vue handled the conditions much better than Poole did on the night. Funnily enough Poole don't lose often at home, hence the success of recent seasons, so while you may choose to see my words as an "excuse", it's me rationalising a below par performance from a team the perennially challenges for league titles. Edited April 21, 2017 by Bleeds Pirate Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Mildenhall always use to be one of my favourite tracks but that was about 20 years ago have heard it's not too good now though Me too - although about 10 years ago would be more accurate. I haven't been this season but reports were the match against Kent was pretty decent. Its certainly the case that it can be very good indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynnboy Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Me too - although about 10 years ago would be more accurate. I haven't been this season but reports were the match against Kent was pretty decent. Its certainly the case that it can be very good indeed. Sorry typo error it was supposed to be 10 years when they where in the premier league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I can't think of anything worse than small track speedway. The NSS has shown the way forward and the AFA has the room to be adapted in similar fashion. Regards to speed, slowing bikes down will make no difference as someone will always have a faster bike than the rest. Untouchable maximums have happened for years. Sometimes I wonder If you ever read what I posted. I never said make Lynn a small track, nor did I say slow the bikes down, what I suggested was to make a shape that would mean closing the throttle on entry into corners, instead of follow the leader in processional races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Closing the throttle into corners = slowing the bikes down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Sometimes I wonder If you ever read what I posted. I never said make Lynn a small track, nor did I say slow the bikes down, what I suggested was to make a shape that would mean closing the throttle on entry into corners, instead of follow the leader in processional races. Which then becomes dangerous. You'll piss off every speedway rider on the planet. These bikes are volatile in the change over from low to high revs since the introduction of the new silencer. It's not about throttle control anymore it's about safety. Standardised equipment to suit the UK will not work because speedway is an international sport and unfortunately big tracks suit the new machines much much better. That means Poland btw. The NSS is absolutely perfect for the modern speedway bike. Many tracks in Poland and Sweden are the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Maybe give them pedals as well 😂 Track shape, shale, curator, speed, tyres, slick, grippy, jumping the start, Gear ratio, set ups, dialling iin. All reasons/excuses. Just ffs give us sumink decent to watch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Which then becomes dangerous. You'll piss off every speedway rider on the planet. These bikes are volatile in the change over from low to high revs since the introduction of the new silencer. It's not about throttle control anymore it's about safety. Standardised equipment to suit the UK will not work because speedway is an international sport and unfortunately big tracks suit the new machines much much better. That means Poland btw. The NSS is absolutely perfect for the modern speedway bike. Many tracks in Poland and Sweden are the same. In the real world we only have that 1 track that fits the bill, All the rest are substandard to the shape and design. The situation in Poland are a world apart to what we have in the UK. In Poland the sport is funded by corporate finance, while here it mostly is private enterprise. The sport is in no way able to fund new stadiums, The Promoter are surviving on a shoe string, and we talk about new stadiums as if there are 10 a penny. We need to make the most of what we have. many tracks have been going for years and have done well to have survived through all the problems and recessions. Any way forward has to be directed to making what we have work.... Except the NSS is a 1 off. and work on making each track as racable as possible... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I reckon the riders need to have more input, they are the ones out there doing the job, entertaining us, we are paying their wages, if they can't entertain us then they won't have jobs .... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 That's true Trees, they would just have to make do with pay days from Poland, Sweden, Denmark, Germany and anywhere else they can hawk their services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 That's true Trees, they would just have to make do with pay days from Poland, Sweden, Denmark, Germany and anywhere else they can hawk their services. I'd rather a concerted effort from everyone involved ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted April 22, 2017 Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 I reckon the riders need to have more input, they are the ones out there doing the job, entertaining us, we are paying their wages, if they can't entertain us then they won't have jobs .... One of speedway's real problems is that on occasion it puts rider interests above those of the fans. Promotions need to listen to what their paying customers want, not what their paid employees want. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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