King's Lynn V Belle Vue - 19 April 2017

[WestGorton1884]

Pleased with the result from a BV standpoint , but the concerns over the quality of racing

at KL are worrying ,

if a track like Saddlebow Rd can't produce good Speedway , then the sport is in trouble .

easily, over the years one of the best Speedway tracks in England

Edited April 20, 2017 by WestGorton1884

[Bagpuss]

People keep talking about it being grippy but there was dust from about heat 6. Just can't fathom how a (very good) away side can come to Lynn and gate so much better and look so much faster. In my morning moan I forgot to congratulate Belle Vue, very worthy winners. Also well done to the promotion for having the whole thing done and dusted in 85 minutes, they are obviously listening to their customers on that front. Don't think a 20 min interval is unreasonable. Also good to hear Gavin on the mic trying to lift the atmosphere.

[Bruiser McHuge]

Not been to kings Lynn since 93 !..I went every week then and Gustafsson and Loram provided racing as good as I've ever seen anywhere....I assume it's not like that now...

[Bagpuss]

A million miles away from that. They were halcyon days in terms of racing, you used to get last heat deciders every week with Henka and Mark in them and one of those heat 15's back then had more passing than entire meetings nowadays.

[Haza]

So what is the reason for the lack of passing close racing ? Definitely the bikes have changed and definitely the type of dirt on the track . If fan pressure got the meetings moving a bit faster maybe fan pressure can get the track back to how it used to be

[ouch]

I thought it was a stock car track that ran speedway as a side line.

Until you get an owner that puts speedway first again then nothing will change. There's just not the interest in speedway, it's more about the money and not just 10% either.

[Trees]

Before stock cars?

[CB252]

I thought it was a stock car track that ran speedway as a side line.

Until you get an owner that puts speedway first again then nothing will change. There's just not the interest in speedway, it's more about the money and not just 10% either.

But who in their right mind would put speedway first when stox make ten times the amount of money from a quarter of the fixtures? Edited April 20, 2017 by CB252

[ouch]

A British speedway fan?

[False dawn]

Always thought Lynn is on the narrow side.

Funny. I never thought that when I raced there as a sidecar passenger. Always seemed plenty of room for overtaking.

[semion]

Never had a problem with the racing at Lynn when Huggy was in the job. Lay downs being used then and Stock Car racing shared the track.

 

So Barrie's things down to either shake or the person doing the track. Or a combo of both.

[Daniel Smith]

I feel for Buster a little because he'll be between a rock and a hard place now with regards the track.

2 home meetings done in good time with less track grading, what us fans were looking for plus an option of racing lines untampered with.

Problem is and what we've end up with is that build up of dirt round the outside that adds nothing to the racing and the inside is a dust storm.

So as fans, do we continue with the dust storm and swift meetings or a more regular track grade to bring dirt back down again?

 

As bad as the racing has been over the last decade it was never as bad as this meeting.

[Bagpuss]

Semion are you related to Huggy? Or maybe you are Huggy

[lynnboy]

I feel for Buster a little because he'll be between a rock and a hard place now with regards the track.

2 home meetings done in good time with less track grading, what us fans were looking for plus an option of racing lines untampered with.

Problem is and what we've end up with is that build up of dirt round the outside that adds nothing to the racing and the inside is a dust storm.

So as fans, do we continue with the dust storm and swift meetings or a more regular track grade to bring dirt back down again?

 

As bad as the racing has been over the last decade it was never as bad as this meeting.

I don't think it's due to the track not being graded as much as last year as the racing was poor then as well, and we saw more tractor racing than speedway 😂 I think you will find it's the shale they use now which is causing the issue so I have been informed. the shale they use now is better for stock car racing and not for speedway as it does not bind together like the old shale which in turn makes the track go slick more quickly. maybe if Jonathan Chapman reads this he can clarify a bit more. Also I don't know if the big magnet they use to use on the front of the tractor is being used anymore as at the last meeting my friends boy was hit on the chest with a 17mm locknut a bit higher up and it could of been life threatening or a lose of sight in a eye ☹️

Edited April 21, 2017 by lynnboy

[semion]

Semion are you related to Huggy? Or maybe you are Huggy

Bugger, I've been sussed out.😀

 

Truth be told I wasn't that keen on the guy, as a person, however I could still appreciate the decent job he did. Allowing him to leave in that manner wasn't the greatest piece of man management. I guess someone was flexing their muscles that night. Still what goes around comes around,

Edited April 21, 2017 by semion

[Daniel Smith]

Bugger, I've been sussed out.

 

Truth be told I wasn't that keen on the guy, as a person, however I could still appreciate the decent job he did. Allowing him to leave in that manner wasn't the greatest piece of man management. I guess someone was flexing their muscles that night. Still what goes around comes around,

 

I don't think the full story was told on that night.

Although Buster lost his rag it was the threat of the referee reporting the incident to the SCB which would of seen Lynn's license suspended as they were on a last warning regards to H&S I'd been told

I don't think it's due to the track not being graded as much as last year as the racing was poor then as well, and we saw more tractor racing than speedway I think you will find it's the shale they use now which is causing the issue so I have been informed. the shale they use now is better for stock car racing and not for speedway as it does not bind together like the old shale which in turn makes the track go slick more quickly. maybe if Jonathan Chapman reads this he can clarify a bit more. Also I don't know if the big magnet they use to use on the front of the tractor is being used anymore as at the last meeting my friends boy was hit on the chest with a 17mm locknut a bit higher up and it could of been life threatening or a lose of sight in a eye ☹️

 

Thing is week in week out Robert Lambert proves the track can be raced on, why can he find ground to pass and nobody else?

I'm on the same side as Gordon Bennett now (who's said it for years now tbf ) the track shape has to be altered.

Bringing the track in to about 310 meters, shortening the length of the straights and increase the banking would see a massive change regardless of the shale used.

[waytogo28]

What really happened was that the Aces riders gated fasted in almost every heat and never mind the track, modern bikes mean that if riders make no mistakes they will retain their positions to the flag. That is what is wrong with speedway today and why fans are turning their backs on boring, processional racing. The "racing" part of speedway racing is diminishing everywhere except, it seems at the NSS.

[therefused]

Why don't they employ people to start raking the track after every race again?

[Trees]

What really happened was that the Aces riders gated fasted in almost every heat and never mind the track, modern bikes mean that if riders make no mistakes they will retain their positions to the flag. That is what is wrong with speedway today and why fans are turning their backs on boring, processional racing. The "racing" part of speedway racing is diminishing everywhere except, it seems at the NSS.

So it makes you think, what's different about the NSS? Shape based on Torun/Hyde Road perhaps? So it's either go backwards in time with engines or go forward with track shape?

[ABS]

So it makes you think, what's different about the NSS? Shape based on Torun/Hyde Road perhaps? So it's either go backwards in time with engines or go forward with track shape?

Not even a modern day thing. Remember a BV meeting at Bradford when there was literally only one line. Chris Manchester, who hated Odsal, had run three lasts and then outgated the unbeaten Sean Wilson, who unsurprisingly couldn't pass. An utter borefest loved by the Bradford faithful. Don't pretend to have any of the answers, but it does appear to be getting worse.