waiheke1 Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 This question was asked on Facebook and Àlun Rossiter replied to it stating Somerset are allowed a guest as it is his nations championship. If it wasn't allowed I'm pretty sure Rossiter wouldn't be backing the Rebels.They are allowed a facility but not a guest. Rossiter clearly has not read the rule book. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 They are allowed a facility but not a guest. Rossiter clearly has not read the rule book. No surprise there then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idh Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) Rule Book States 18.10.1 If a rider is representing their FMN in an FIM Speedway Championship, irrespective of the rider’s MA, a choice of Guest or Absent Rider Replacement facility (then the (if permitted by Art 18.10) is available. (if permitted by Art 18.10) is available. (if permitted by Art 18.10) is available. applies.) so a guest is OK but if you use the a choice of Guest or Absent Rider Replacement facility then (if permitted by Art 18.10) is available. (if permitted by Art 18.10) is available the word or defines it to two separate choices so Somerset chose the Guest Is that plainer for all Edited April 21, 2017 by idh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 So fans clearly know better than two managers and the rest that have been granted guests for national championships in the past. Swindon are bottom of the league, I'm pretty sure Rossiter would argue if it was ineligible, he doesn't seem the type to care if he upsets anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 if permited by ART 18.10 is the key bit surely? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idh Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 no that only applies if you dont elect to use a guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 This question was asked on Facebook and Àlun Rossiter replied to it stating Somerset are allowed a guest as it is his nations championship. If it wasn't allowed I'm pretty sure Rossiter wouldn't be backing the Rebels. yes. It was me who asked it. They are allowed a facility but not a guest. Rossiter clearly has not read the rule book. He has, because I posted a jpeg of the relevent sections! They have all clearly agreed amongst themselves that if a rider is in a national championship then there can be a guest for a rider in positions 2 to 5 - so why keep a rule in the rule book that says you can't? Surely they must know by know how anal we all get about the rule book! I'm trying to see if there can be any ambiguity in the rule, and the only thing I can see is that what they mean is you can have a guest or rider replacement for the team positions that allow a facility in 18.10 - ie 1-5 but not 6 to 7. But if they do mean that, it takes a bit of lateral thinking for it to mean that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) But hes not riding in an FIM meeting. So 18.10.1 is NOT relevant. 16.5.1 d) says a facility is allowed but nowhere does it say a guest is allowed, just the normal facility for a missing 2-5 rider. Which is R/R. Edited April 21, 2017 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 But hes not riding in an FIM meeting. So 18.10.1 is NOT relevant. It must be one of their "unwritten" rules then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) no that only applies if you dont elect to use a guest So you're suggesting the ART 18.10 element only applied to the choice of R/R in this instance - looking at ART 18.10, only reserves (obviously) can't be covered by R/R anyway and a guest is permitted in this circumstance only, for a team position that is normally only covered by R/R? If so, that rule is incredibly clumsily worded and has been mis-interpreted by a large proportion of fans And it isn't a FIM meeting anyway, it'll be DMU - confused?!!! Edited April 21, 2017 by frigbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idh Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) No i'm saying rule 18.10.1 applies Edited April 21, 2017 by idh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 No i'm saying rule 18.10.1 applies But 18.10.1 then refers to "if permitted by Art 18.10" - therefore the definitive answer is in ART 18.10. That says R/R only for 2-5. Oh, and of course the small matter that 18.10.1 is nullified by the fact it isn'ta FIM meeting Hougaard is at. it's nonsense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 No i'm saying rule 18.10.1 applies Why does 18.10.1 apply? 18.10.1 applies to FIM meetings, Paddys meeting is NOT an FIM meeting. Willing to have a friendly wager with anyone that this facility isn't allowed. £20 to the SRBF say Brady isn't allowed to ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 The world championship is an FIM inscribed competition- so that starts with the national qualifiers. The rule is clear to me- guest or R/R is permitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idh Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Cheers RR thinking the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Still no matches without guests this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Even if it does turn out to be FIM affiliated, people are still ignoring the "if permitted by Art 18.10" statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Good luck to the Robins tonight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Think this could be very close. Brady is in great form at the moment so a good guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Even if it does turn out to be FIM affiliated, people are still ignoring the "if permitted by Art 18.10" statement. And people are still missing the agreed by all parties bit. The BSPA and Swindon have agreed to the guest, Somerset have broken no rules if all parties have agreed to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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