steve roberts Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) Any time TWK Your poor nose is getting so short, like mine lol I'd like them to do away with any tacticals but allow change of gate positions whenever a team is 6 down, see how that works .... Agree with the gate positional change...never liked the idea of 'fixed gates' in the first place as the formula that was in place when I used to go allowed an advantage to any one team who had successive inside/outside gates amongst other issues. Edited April 17, 2017 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) It's been mentioned before but could still be something worth pursuing..? Cycle speedway gives the losing team choice of gates when they go so many behind (ten I think). And they can keep this option till they are no longer that number behind... eg they can take 1/3 when they should be off 2/4... Contrived? Yes, anything that is made up to keep scores artificially closer will always be.. But still better than someone coming second and awarding them more points than the rider that just beat them.. That's not just contrived, it's simply ludicrous... (And yet another of those frustrating Speedway 'add ons' that make the sport look ridiculously 'Mickey Mouse' when put up against other professional sports) Edited April 17, 2017 by mikebv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 It's been mentioned before but could still be something worth pursuing..? Cycle speedway gives the losing team choice of gates when they go so many behind (ten I think). And they can keep this option till they are no longer that number behind... eg they can take 1/3 when they should be off 2/4... Contrived? Yes, anything that is made up to keep scores artificially closer will always be.. But still better than someone coming second and awarding them more points than the rider that just beat them.. That's not just contrived, it's simply ludicrous... (And yet another of those frustrating Speedway 'add ons' that make the sport look ridiculously 'Mickey Mouse' when put up against other professional sports) Now I could definitely live with that. Four Riders fighting for the points available - no added values - sounds great to me. Points actually scored on the Track giving you a proper Result - what's to not like. I'm not even sure I would call that contrivance actually..................................... Great idea mikebv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Workington v Scunthorpe ruined by another TR injustice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Workington v Scunthorpe ruined by another TR injustice. Just looked at the Updates - and I see what you mean. As I have said many times now, the whole idea is a bloody fiddle. I will not attend until it is scrapped altogether. If it isn't - TOUGH!!! Speedway has lost a Customer. I bet I am not alone in this either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) Never liked the joker 'thingie' where points counted double. If I recall the rider chosen started 10 yards (?) back and if was successful and managed to win the race (with a little help from his team mate who would spend a best part of the race looking behind him...which I always thought was an excludable offence) allowing him thru' on the last bend to secure an 8-1 heat advantage. I saw it happen on at least a couple of occasions (Martin Dugard was involved in one) and always thought it a joke! Edited April 17, 2017 by steve roberts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 There was a 'joker' on 'its a knockout',,, did WKD watch that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Workington v Scunthorpe ruined by another TR injustice. What are you on about? Scunthorpe took an 8-1 in heat 7 and lost by 3. If it had been a 5-1 they would have lost by 6. Either way they leave with a point. 17 TR rides taken this season, none have made any difference to the final result or the league points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Just my personal opinion, i dont like the TR, whatever the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 What are you on about? Scunthorpe took an 8-1 in heat 7 and lost by 3. If it had been a 5-1 they would have lost by 6. Either way they leave with a point. 17 TR rides taken this season, none have made any difference to the final result or the league points. So why have it then, won't stop me going like TWK but a bonkers rule. It's supposed to be a professional sport not its a knockout 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Workington v Scunthorpe ruined by another TR injustice.I dont see how. Without a TR a 6 point win, with a TR a 3 point win. Either way it's 3 home points and 1 away point. But this way you got a last heat decider, surely that's a good thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 I dont see how. Without a TR a 6 point win, with a TR a 3 point win. Either way it's 3 home points and 1 away point. But this way you got a last heat decider, surely that's a good thing? A contrived/fiddled last Heat decider. What is sporting about that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 A contrived/fiddled last Heat decider. What is sporting about that. it might keep people in the stadium a bit longer, making the escape from the car park more exciting (for car commuters only) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) Just looked at the Updates - and I see what you mean. As I have said many times now, the whole idea is a bloody fiddle. I will not attend until it is scrapped altogether. If it isn't - TOUGH!!! Speedway has lost a Customer. I bet I am not alone in this either. I stopped attending speedway many years ago (well documented on this forum elsewhere) but regulations that constantly changed were a real bug-bear with me at the time. However the introduction of the 'Joker' was one of the silliest in my view. As a matter of interest is there any other 'professional' sport in this country that has a similar ruling? Two 'boring' sports (in my view) which would benefit from such an initiative would be snooker and Formula One! Edited April 18, 2017 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 I stopped attending speedway many years ago (well documented on this forum elsewhere) but regulations that constantly changed were a real bug-bear with me at the time. However the introduction of the 'Joker' was one of the silliest in my view. As a matter of interest is there any other 'professional' sport in this country that has a similar ruling? Two 'boring' sports (in my view) which would benefit from such an initiative would be snooker and Formula One! But you gladly attended for years with a system that was far more unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) But you gladly attended for years with a system that was far more unfair. How's that? Edited April 18, 2017 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 Cos a reserve could be swopped for a heatleader in an easy race and get a 5-1 meaning the losing team would only be 2 down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 Cos a reserve could be swopped for a heatleader in an easy race and get a 5-1 meaning the losing team would only be 2 down That is why I believe that both are wrong. I lived with the Tactical Substitute for a long time but I cannot live with the Tactical Ride any longer. I find it infuriating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) That is why I believe that both are wrong. I lived with the Tactical Substitute for a long time but I cannot live with the Tactical Ride any longer. I find it infuriating. Personally I never had a problem with the old Tac Sub regulation (don't know how it's administered nowadays for obvious reasons) despite its flaws...but the 'double points' scenario just didn't/doesn't add up in my view...and it was a view shared by John Berry who I admired greatly. I used to have more issues with the R/R/R whereby it was changed constantly in its interpretation and subsequent administration causing confusion on many occasions...not only with fans but with Team Managers also! Also silly regulations that didn't allow Team Managers the choice of whom to place where in riding number order (other than the reserves of course). Edited April 18, 2017 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 Cos a reserve could be swopped for a heatleader in an easy race and get a 5-1 meaning the losing team would only be 2 down Never said anything about whether the system was fairer...only that I didn't agree with the 'double points' scenario. As I commented I can't comment on any present legislation as I'm unfamiliar with the present day ruling as regards the T/C implementation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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