hans fan Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 The only people to blame for any lack of entertainment were the majority of the Peterborough riders. When you first got there, did you look at the track and immediately think "this is far too grippy and won't produce good racing"? I'd be surprised if you did. Yes the track was grippy and when I saw the track upon entering the stadium I was delighted at what I saw and was expecting a good meeting. What I wasn't expecting though was to see most of the away side wimping out and not even bother trying! Absolutely disgraceful and so are the subsequent comments from the Peterborough management who I can only think must be trying to deflect the deserved criticism away from their riders. The track was a racers track and was there to be raced, for those that were actually prepared to attack it and race! Perhaps the Peterborough riders would have been far more happier at Sheffield on Thursday. That was an even worse meeting I promise you for totally opposite reasons. No matter how hard the riders were trying, if you didn't make the jump you were going nowhere fast. This is part of the problem these days, the tracks by and large with a minority of exceptions, are not prepared for racing due to the request of over pampered riders who seem to prefer a slick easy to ride billiard table to ride on. This is what they've become used to and IMO it's wrong. The fans are the most important aspect here. If the fans aren't there the riders won't have a job that's the bottom line. Tracks should be prepared for entertainment and the fans, not the riders. As has been said,Cameron Heeps' attitude was spot on. He opened the throttle, chased the dirt on the outside and was always making ground on those in front of him. He made some terrific passes. As for Rathbones sly dig in his press release, he too should be ashamed of himself. He should have been praising the efforts of the people at Ipswich for producing a race track fit for good racing, and then apologising to everybody who attended for his teams abysmal "effort" in doing any racing at all!!! you have to look at both sides of the coin , was the Ipswich track grippy , I would say it was very grippy to grippy for panthers riders , not for the home team tho they managed to have the set-ups and nous to get round the track , was the meeting any good not really was a bit of farce , panthers not producing anything to note bar B.W.D (who was freewheeling round turns 3 and 4 some races he was that far clear early heats)and a lesser extent holder who looked like he didn't need stabilisers like the rest of panthers riders it wasn't entertainment as such(i'm sure plenty of other teams will get pasteings at foxhall) it's louis call to how he wants the track , if the riders want it grippy good luck to them , I can see a few dodgy sick notes from riders and fans next time panthers are there . at the end of the day the losing team have to have a excuse ,they can huff and puff all they like but panthers never had the skill or put in the effort to get round the track and because of it the match was poor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) Even the NSS when 'grippy' delivers poor, follow the leader racing. And that track has wide sweeping bends so all riders feel 'in control'.. On a smaller circuit (like we had at the dog bowl) a grippy track often led to either carnage or riders (openly) simply not bothering. Either way there was little entertainment when it was 'grippy'.. Riders today have learnt their craft on ultra slick tracks rather than the deep tracks of 30-40 years ago, and not many now come from grass track which gave them the experience to ride rough circuits at full throttle... Bikes' characteristics have changed too meaning, for those with less ability in particular, one mistake when they get in the 'deep stuff' can shoot them, at high instantaneous speed, out of control in any direction.. It is the way it is. Sadly. . Edited April 17, 2017 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) Think Panthers fans should remember Simon Lambert is at best a reserve on a over inflated average - he is what he is he's gone as far as he's ever going to go in the sport. He's a big track rider always has been I got shot down over the winter for saying we shouldn't have signed him on that bloated 5.25 average. There were better riders on lower averages around. Edited April 17, 2017 by Flappy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 I got shot down over the winter for saying we shouldn't have signed him on that bloated 5.25 average. There were better riders on lower averages around. Lambert was always going to sign for the club whether fans liked it or not. His father helps out a lot with the club etc. Shouldn't be how it goes, but it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 I got shot down over the winter forvsayibg we shouldn't have signed him on that bloated 5.25 average. i'm assuming you never went to the fans forum ??? it was explained that panthers main priority is home form he's a 7-8 pt rider at home and when he's at reserve he'll be averaging that at home no problem Lambert was always going to sign for the club whether fans liked it or not. His father helps out a lot with the club etc. Shouldn't be how it goes, but it does. i'm not a great fan of lambert but he turns up with top notch kit , helps anybody he can , when he goes to reserve he'll score big pts . the wheels have fell off panthers seasons previously at home when he's out injured a no brainer for me he deserves to be here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted April 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) you have to look at both sides of the coin , was the Ipswich track grippy , I would say it was very grippy to grippy for panthers riders , not for the home team tho they managed to have the set-ups and nous to get round the track , was the meeting any good not really was a bit of farce , panthers not producing anything to note bar B.W.D (who was freewheeling round turns 3 and 4 some races he was that far clear early heats)and a lesser extent holder who looked like he didn't need stabilisers like the rest of panthers riders it wasn't entertainment as such(i'm sure plenty of other teams will get pasteings at foxhall) it's louis call to how he wants the track , if the riders want it grippy good luck to them , I can see a few dodgy sick notes from riders and fans next time panthers are there . at the end of the day the losing team have to have a excuse ,they can huff and puff all they like but panthers never had the skill or put in the effort to get round the track and because of it the match was poor "Too grippy"?? Oh do me a favour! Anyone who wasn't there will get the impression it was a ploughed potato field akin to the tripe the Showground has served up over the years!! It was far from that. If that track these days is considered "too grippy" then I despair at what this sport has become. The best performers on the night were two inexperienced kids who have only a couple of years experience between them, and a rider (King) who was untouchable having had a horrible fall 2 days earlier, was battered and bruised and restricted in his movement and who required physio before, during and after the meeting! No sorry, this is all about the pathetic attitude of a few Peterborough riders. Edited April 17, 2017 by Arch Stanton 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 i'm not a great fan of lambert but he turns up with top notch kit Which on Saturdays showing isnt necessary as not being used to its full potential 😕 Will need to score well today to prove the doubters wrong. Teams are normally setup to please the home fans as very few care about what goes on away as not there to witness. Here's to a good meeting today slick or grippy ( not a ploughed field as previous seasons ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) He won't match the scoring power at reserve that BWD currently provides. He'll be OK at home sometimes and the odd away performance. It would have made no difference if he was at reserve at Ipswich for example. If the priority is the home form, we cannot afford to lose today. Edited April 17, 2017 by Flappy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Which on Saturdays showing isnt necessary as not being used to its full potential Will need to score well today to prove the doubters wrong. Teams are normally setup to please the home fans as very few care about what goes on away as not there to witness. Here's to a good meeting today slick or grippy ( not a ploughed field as previous seasons ) As a regular at both the EOES and Foxhall, i can assure you that entertainment wise the Showground is light years ahead of Foxhall. A grippy Foxhall is not a recipe for good racing, and never has been... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Here's to a good meeting today slick or grippy ( not a ploughed field as previous seasons ) And here we have the two sides of the coin: when it's your track it's "The track was a racers track and was there to be raced, for those that were actually prepared to attack it and race!", but when you get that as a visitor it turns into a ploughed field. We don't do ploughed field any more, so my money's on slick one line after not too long. Whether that turns out to be good remains to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 The track was not a ploughed field on sat. Grippy yes as there has been a lot of clay added to it over the winter. But a ploughed field no. As for today's track being a slick one liner... what's the point in that? Gate and go and the One line might as well be scalextric track ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 My moneys on the 'DJ' needing to dig out Madonnas 'Get into the groove' and 'True blue' for the playlist to suit the track. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted April 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 And here we have the two sides of the coin: when it's your track it's "The track was a racers track and was there to be raced, for those that were actually prepared to attack it and race!", but when you get that as a visitor it turns into a ploughed field. We don't do ploughed field any more, so my money's on slick one line after not too long. Whether that turns out to be good remains to be seen. There's a world of difference between attacking a grippy track which was entirely possible on Thursday, and trying to ride the Showground when it was like a ploughed field as I'm sure you know full well. You say it's not like that anymore fair enough, but some of those tracks were barely rideable let alone raceable. As a regular at both the EOES and Foxhall, i can assure you that entertainment wise the Showground is light years ahead of Foxhall. A grippy Foxhall is not a recipe for good racing, and never has been...Not a single person has claimed any different. You won't find one Ipswich supporter that will claim Foxhall produces more entertainment than the Showground so I'm not sure why you brought that in to the equation. The Showground is widely regarded as one of the best race tracks in the country, unfortunately there aren't many others like it. I disagree with your assessment that a grippy Foxhall has never been a recipe for good racing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 There's a world of difference between attacking a grippy track which was entirely possible on Thursday, and trying to ride the Showground when it was like a ploughed field as I'm sure you know full well. You say it's not like that anymore fair enough, but some of those tracks were barely rideable let alone raceable. Fair point on the last bit I agree, but a grippy Peterborough track that is there to be attacked all too easily becomes a convenient ploughed field these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 There's a world of difference between attacking a grippy track which was entirely possible on Thursday, and trying to ride the Showground when it was like a ploughed field as I'm sure you know full well. You say it's not like that anymore fair enough, but some of those tracks were barely rideable let alone raceable. Not a single person has claimed any different. You won't find one Ipswich supporter that will claim Foxhall produces more entertainment than the Showground so I'm not sure why you brought that in to the equation. The Showground is widely regarded as one of the best race tracks in the country, unfortunately there aren't many others like it. I disagree with your assessment that a grippy Foxhall has never been a recipe for good racing though. The bottom line is the track should be prepared so all riders can race on it, you then give everyone the chance to race because it's clear that one team having a massive home advantage doesn't lend itself to good racing and attracts the criticism that a lot of tracks are currently receiving for producing processions after trapping competitions. To be fair I think some members of the Panthers gave it a good go (one clearly didn't and got a lot of stick for it - deservedly) two more got hurt which obviously affected the team performance bearing in mind Bacon who certainly wasn't used to it and fell several times early on had to take 7 rides. I don't know how Hansen would have taken to it but he does like a grippy track. Just out of interest what was your take on your teams performance at Sheffield where from reports was super slick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted April 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Anyway come and gone this meeting now let's see what we get this afternoon. Good racing a given and I've a feeling it will be very tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) We have seen the Peterborough team opting out on many occasions and locations over the years. and under various promotions. Come to think of it Chris Louis regularly opted out when riding at the Showground. Edited April 17, 2017 by wealdstone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Just out of interest what was your take on your teams performance at Sheffield where from reports was super slick. I can honestly say that not one (as far as I'm aware) fan, rider or management made a comment about the track at Sheffield, that was ALL from the victorious Sheffield fans. The track whatever it is, is there to be raced on, and as professional sportsmen surely they should adapt to size and conditions. Admittedly some may not have the super equipment needed for flat out racing on the bigger tracks, so will struggle, but take it from me, the Peterborough boys syched themselves out before a wheel was turned (for whatever reason!!) Saturday night, and the evidence was there for us all to see, although BWD proved the more experienced riders very wrong. Honestly BCD, you've never ever been a fan of Foxhall have you?!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 We have seen the Peterborough team opting out on many occasions and locations over the years. and under various promotions. Come to think of it Chris Louis regularly opted out when riding at the Showground. True, but his dad John certainly knew the quickest way round , he was virtually unbeatable. The track was not a ploughed field on sat. Grippy yes as there has been a lot of clay added to it over the winter. But a ploughed field no. As for today's track being a slick one liner... what's the point in that? Gate and go and the One line might as well be scalextric track ! If Panthers riders and management thought the track was not fit to race , then they should have asked the referee to come down and inspect it , but I havn't heard that they did this anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 True, but his dad John certainly knew the quickest way round , he was virtually unbeatable. If Panthers riders and management thought the track was not fit to race , then they should have asked the referee to come down and inspect it , but I havn't heard that they did this anywhere. Tiger Louis was a class motorcyclist and adapted to any shape or surface, he was a joy to watch anywhere. Too many whingers about these days i'm afraid, naming no names Time to leave Suffolk now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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