mikebv Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) It is impossible on here to describe all the dimensions required. Radius of bends, banking etc. also come into it. Suffice to say the width of Belle Vue and a minimum of 300m. So no, not long straights and tight bends! Leicester is still a considerable way from anything approaching ideal and if the rules were tightened up in the first place it would never have been built that way. You're essentially admitting that the rules allow people to create fundamentally flawed tracks. That's stupid even by the standards of the BSPA! I do not know how tight Brough Park is but I didn't think it was of the Lakeside, Old BV style. No wonder you protest so much about increased sizes if it is! I seem to recall it was re-modelled slightly in the mid-late 80's to be more like old Loomer Rd, if so it wouldn't be that tight. Modify the rules just for new tracks then, if you're of the opinion that the existing fundamentally flawed ones will stay open forever. Which they won't by playing to crowds of 100s! Some good points.. Gustrow serves up some fantastic Speedway, short straights, wide bends, almost circular it appears at times..... All at 298m... Shows a good race track can be put in a confined space... Having seen Speedway in the US. on those 100-150m circuits that again can deliver great Speedway, it also shows what can be done... Far too many tracks in Britain have too long straights and narrow, tight bends. Meaning follow the leader is the norm. Especially with the straight line horsepower of the bikes today. Bikes when 'locked up' as they do on tight tracks, riding mid track, fill a large proportion of the bend width so passing on the outside is almost impossible at some tracks.. I am sure there are logistical issues below the surface with drains etc. But where possible tracks should look at taking in the white line, widening the entrances and exits to the bends thus reducing straight lengths and increasing bend widths to make the tracks less 'oval' and more 'circular'... The perfect template is the NSS, so whatever your footprint, replicate the bend widths, banking and entrance/exit width, make your straights to the same width also, with the length dictated by whatever size space is left between the bends.. I was watching Rally Cross the other day on TV and that truly is 'first out wins'. The reason is when the cars are 'side on' they fill virtually the whole of the track. Their speed then gets the leader down the invariably short straight to the next same type of turn. No one has enough extra horsepower to pass (or time to use it even if they had) before the next bend arrives.. And guess what? It's crap to watch... Edited April 14, 2017 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 Some good points.. Gustrow serves up some fantastic Speedway, short straights, wide bends, almost circular it appears at times..... All at 298m... Shows a good race track can be put in a confined space... Having seen Speedway in the US. on those 100-150m circuits that again can deliver great Speedway, it also shows what can be done... Far too many tracks in Britain have too long straights and narrow, tight bends. Meaning follow the leader is the norm. Especially with the straight line horsepower of the bikes today. Bikes when 'locked up' as they do on tight tracks, riding mid track, fill a large proportion of the bend width so passing on the outside is almost impossible at some tracks.. I am sure there are logistical issues below the surface with drains etc. But where possible tracks should look at taking in the white line, widening the entrances and exits to the bends thus reducing straight lengths and increasing bend widths to make the tracks less 'oval' and more 'circular'... The perfect template is the NSS, so whatever your footprint, replicate the bend widths, banking and entrance/exit width, make your straights to the same width also, with the length dictated by whatever size space is left between the bends.. I was watching Rally Cross the other day on TV and that truly is 'first out wins'. The reason is when the cars are 'side on' they fill virtually the whole of the track. Their speed then gets the leader down the invariably short straight to the next same type of turn. No one has enough extra horsepower to pass (or time to use it even if they had) before the next bend arrives.. And guess what? It's crap to watch... ...a bit like go-kart racing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 Call an extraordinary meeting of the BSPA and with everyone attending - bang their collective heads together to encourage them to stop telling each other that - like the Emperor's New Clothes - everything is alright and if we change the names of the leagues and have a Marketing Big Push, thousands of fans will flood back to each track and All Will Be Well in the Speedway Family ( BSPA ). Remind all BSPA members that the voices of the diminishing groups of fans DO matter. And that fans DO care about are crisply run meetings and close exciting races on well prepared tracks that give all riders a chance to "have a go". I haven't given up on speedway in the flesh ( at the stadium ) but I am very close to it! Going tonight with an old friend in the hope that "things are getting better" Fingers Crossed! With 30 meetings at least live on TV that might be adequate to sate my appetite ( and cheaper, even including BT costs ) Hope springs eternal ( or almost eternally ) in the heart of speedway fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) Using an existing meeting isn't a fair reflect. Under the current format it suits a rider / team to just gate and go as the worst is a drawn heat. With the pairs scoring system it's not just don't finish last. If you gate and your teammate is last it then becomes about the race leader slowing and controlling the heat to give his teammate a chance. The 4,3,2,0 format would not promote the concept of the leader controlling the race from the front it would however make even more essential the need not to come last. This is because if the red rider gates and gets in front of white and yellow whilst his partner is at the back and red decides to help his partner by holding back then the likely outcome is that the two v one scenario will result in either the white or yellow helmet passing him turning a 4 - 5 heat loss into a greater 3 - 6 heat loss. Actually in this scenario what is more likely is that the white & yellow riders will team ride to prevent blue getting third. However, this would not be a bad thing because lets face it, on many occasion currently after two laps the rider at the back sees no purpose in "racing" if his team mate has the points secured at the front and a shared heat looks likely whereas under 4,3,2,0 he has the chance to turn a 4-5 disadvantage into a 6-3 advantage by moving up one place. so maybe we would not necessarily see more battles up front but the minor places would take on more significance. Edited April 14, 2017 by 1 valve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 Division 1 matches all on one night of the week, Division 2 matches on another. Doubling up not a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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