If You Were?

[Trees]

Extra point for close team riding?

[ruffdiamond]

Extra point for close team riding?

yes,,, but they have to 'high 5' each other crossing the finish line

[Daniel Smith]

far too simple idea

can't see a rider being deducted a point for 'none attempt', as who could judge that, the crowd ???

 

It's extremely obvious to all when a rider has cleared off in the distance without a care of the other 3 riders behind them.

 

I just think a 4-3-2-0 scoring system would emphasis skill over speed.

A rider with the fastest equipment isn't then necessarily the best rider for the team.

[foamfence]

 

It's extremely obvious to all when a rider has cleared off in the distance without a care of the other 3 riders behind them.

 

I just think a 4-3-2-0 scoring system would emphasis skill over speed.

A rider with the fastest equipment isn't then necessarily the best rider for the team.

It might make it easier for the less wealthy clubs to compete, if you can't afford the big names you can still win.

[ruffdiamond]

It's extremely obvious to all when a rider has cleared off in the distance without a care of the other 3 riders behind them.

 

I just think a 4-3-2-0 scoring system would emphasis skill over speed.

A rider with the fastest equipment isn't then necessarily the best rider for the team.

agree with the 4,3,2,0 scoring system, but when it comes down to a third party deciding on wether or not a rider is trying, I just think it will lead to more controversy than the starting procedure and, would bet on it turning more people away from the sport, riders included.

[Vince]

Like the 4,3,2 system but don't like the idea of somebody judging effort affecting the score

[Stoke Potter]

Some good points but not much to address the fundamentals.

The majority of tracks in this country are not conducive to good racing and passing. Fix them.

Minimum track sizes should be changed, nothing less than 300m.

Wider straights and bends are also required, difficult to quote a dimension as current widths aren't widely published.

Existing tracks should be given a time limit to improve their track, 3, 5 years whatever it may be.

Plenty of people will bleat that some tracks will shut. The same was said when compulsory air fences were introduced, how many actually shut?

Bigger tracks also have the advantage of having longer races thus eradicating 50 odd second races which basically short changes the fans.

[The White Knight]

Some good points but not much to address the fundamentals.

The majority of tracks in this country are not conducive to good racing and passing. Fix them.

Minimum track sizes should be changed, nothing less than 300m.

Wider straights and bends are also required, difficult to quote a dimension as current widths aren't widely published.

Existing tracks should be given a time limit to improve their track, 3, 5 years whatever it may be.

Plenty of people will bleat that some tracks will shut. The same was said when compulsory air fences were introduced, how many actually shut?

Bigger tracks also have the advantage of having longer races thus eradicating 50 odd second races which basically short changes the fans.

Sounds great on paper. Unfortunately Speedway isn't raced on paper.

 

What about Tracks inside Greyhound Tracks where there may be no room for expansion - or are those the one's you would close?

[Tsunami]

Sounds great on paper. Unfortunately Speedway isn't raced on paper.

 

What about Tracks inside Greyhound Tracks where there may be no room for expansion - or are those the one's you would close?

It's just a pet thing that he is obsessed with. He thinks all tracks should be the same and, as you have said, the likes of tracks with no room for expansion would be closed. That is his way forward, and then some wonder why promoters ignore most stuff on here.

[teaboy279]

Obviously you can't make a track longer cutting into the infield but you can make it wider.

[SCB]

In control of the BSPA, what changes would you make to British speedway to get it back to what it once was?

How much money do I have? But I'd scrap the OAP rate and focus on under 30s and give them a cheaper rate. Everyone under 18 would be free.

Meeting would start on time (or allowing 10 minutes for a parade) and be over in 90-120 minutes.

 

The rest is filler, the concept of 4 riders doing 4 laps is brilliant. TRs, R/R, Guests, averages, points limits. They just don't matter. Nobody understands F1s rules but loads watch it. The rules just don't matter, its the presentation that needs sorting.

[Stoke Potter]

It's just a pet thing that he is obsessed with. He thinks all tracks should be the same and, as you have said, the likes of tracks with no room for expansion would be closed. That is his way forward, and then some wonder why promoters ignore most stuff on here

It's incorrect to describe it as an obsession. It is my opinion, formed by analysing the sport over a number of years. I've not seen your ideas on how to improve our sport however?

Another correction: All tracks would not be the same, they'd just all be bigger than 300m. Just because a track is inside a dog track does not mean it could not be expanded. My local track used to have a dog track around the outside but still could've been developed in the way described. Do you think speedway tracks inside dog stadia are sustainable into the future? I don't.

I've been saying for ages about expanding tracks, way before Belle Vue was built. Lo and behold some genius creates a proper sized track and you get racing like I witnessed a couple of weeks back at the Peter Craven memorial. I will guarantee you've not had racing like that at Byker in the modern era.

Open your eyes, do the analysis, and get the old boys on the BSPA to do the same. Otherwise, do like Sheffield, throw your doors open free to everyone and bore the pants of them all with a processional meeting, turning them off the sport even more. Yeah, excellent plan.

Edited April 13, 2017 by Stoke Potter

[Tsunami]

It's incorrect to describe it as an obsession. It is my opinion, formed by analysing the sport over a number of years. I've not seen your ideas on how to improve our sport however?

Another correction: All tracks would not be the same, they'd just all be bigger than 300m. Just because a track is inside a dog track does not mean it could not be expanded. My local track used to have a dog track around the outside but still could've been developed in the way described. Do you think speedway tracks inside dog stadia are sustainable into the future? I don't.

I've been saying for ages about expanding tracks, way before Belle Vue was built. Lo and behold some genius creates a proper sized track and you get racing like I witnessed a couple of weeks back at the Peter Craven memorial. I will guarantee you've not had racing like that at Byker in the modern era.

Open your eyes, do the analysis, and get the old boys on the BSPA to do the same. Otherwise, do like Sheffield, throw your doors open free to everyone and bore the pants of them all with a processional meeting, turning them off the sport even more. Yeah, excellent plan.

So you would still propose to close tracks that couldn't expand, and tight tracks like Brough, Lakeside, Old BV, etc would have the straights widened to your new norm and the corners would be like points. Brilliant plan to close the clubs quicker mind. Remind me why Leicester is deemed to be a bad track, and has had to have some modifications. That's right tight bends and long straights which you would have other tracks follow their shape. Year, Excellent and stupid plan from you again.

 

BTW Racing at Brough, and many other tracks, will never get to the wide open spaces like BV. They of course started with a blank canvas so rather easier to design what they wanted. In saying that, there are cracking meetings at all tracks given good track preparation and riders going to ride.

[1 valve]

I just think a 4-3-2-0 scoring system would emphasis skill over speed.

A rider with the fastest equipment isn't then necessarily the best rider for the team.

At first glance this looks a good idea and most probably does deserve some further attention. However, out of interest using the 4,3,2,0 format I have just rescored the recent meeting between Wolves and Leicester which the wolves one by one point. The odd score being influenced by a 5 - 0 to the Wolves in heat 10 (and this fixture was chosen because the programme was close by) The outcome? A win for Wolves 68 - 65. And if the Lions had provided a finisher in heat 10? A win for the Wolves 68 - 67 whereas If they had done so in the actual meeting under the current scoring system the Lions would have earned a draw

No doubt other circumstances could prevail that influence the score but overall the message is still the same - don't come last as in the case of this fixture where the Lions provided 8 last places and 8 race winners

Edited April 13, 2017 by 1 valve

[Stoke Potter]

So you would still propose to close tracks that couldn't expand, and tight tracks like Brough, Lakeside, Old BV, etc would have the straights widened to your new norm and the corners would be like points. Brilliant plan to close the clubs quicker mind. Remind me why Leicester is deemed to be a bad track, and has had to have some modifications. That's right tight bends and long straights which you would have other tracks follow their shape. Year, Excellent and stupid plan from you again.

 

BTW Racing at Brough, and many other tracks, will never get to the wide open spaces like BV. They of course started with a blank canvas so rather easier to design what they wanted. In saying that, there are cracking meetings at all tracks given good track preparation and riders going to ride.

It is impossible on here to describe all the dimensions required. Radius of bends, banking etc. also come into it. Suffice to say the width of Belle Vue and a minimum of 300m. So no, not long straights and tight bends! Leicester is still a considerable way from anything approaching ideal and if the rules were tightened up in the first place it would never have been built that way. You're essentially admitting that the rules allow people to create fundamentally flawed tracks. That's stupid even by the standards of the BSPA!

 

I do not know how tight Brough Park is but I didn't think it was of the Lakeside, Old BV style. No wonder you protest so much about increased sizes if it is! I seem to recall it was re-modelled slightly in the mid-late 80's to be more like old Loomer Rd, if so it wouldn't be that tight.

 

Modify the rules just for new tracks then, if you're of the opinion that the existing fundamentally flawed ones will stay open forever. Which they won't by playing to crowds of 100s!

[Tsunami]

It is impossible on here to describe all the dimensions required. Radius of bends, banking etc. also come into it. Suffice to say the width of Belle Vue and a minimum of 300m. So no, not long straights and tight bends! Leicester is still a considerable way from anything approaching ideal and if the rules were tightened up in the first place it would never have been built that way. You're essentially admitting that the rules allow people to create fundamentally flawed tracks. That's stupid even by the standards of the BSPA!

 

I do not know how tight Brough Park is but I didn't think it was of the Lakeside, Old BV style. No wonder you protest so much about increased sizes if it is! I seem to recall it was re-modelled slightly in the mid-late 80's to be more like old Loomer Rd, if so it wouldn't be that tight.

 

Modify the rules just for new tracks then, if you're of the opinion that the existing fundamentally flawed ones will stay open forever. Which they won't by playing to crowds of 100s!

And there's the rub with your opinions.

 

I didn't say the new BV was.

CrIticising the shape of Brough and you don't even know what it looks like. 'Bit like Loomer Road', give your head a shake.

 

There's an Article in the Speedway Star with Nicki Pedersen this week, and he is saying that top riders should spend some time in the UK to get them accustomed to the differences in tracks, and that after he left Newcastle he chose to go to Wolverhampton, due to it being small and tight for more small track experience.. Blows your views off the page, but then again whatever did Nicki win in his career, compared to yours.

[Daniel Smith]

At first glance this looks a good idea and most probably does deserve some further attention. However, out of interest using the 4,3,2,0 format I have just rescored the recent meeting between Wolves and Leicester which the wolves one by one point. The odd score being influenced by a 5 - 0 to the Wolves in heat 10 (and this fixture was chosen because the programme was close by) The outcome? A win for Wolves 68 - 65. And if the Lions had provided a finisher in heat 10? A win for the Wolves 68 - 67 whereas If they had done so in the actual meeting under the current scoring system the Lions would have earned a draw

No doubt other circumstances could prevail that influence the score but overall the message is still the same - don't come last as in the case of this fixture where the Lions provided 8 last places and 8 race winners

 

Using an existing meeting isn't a fair reflect.

Under the current format it suits a rider / team to just gate and go as the worst is a drawn heat.

With the pairs scoring system it's not just don't finish last.

If you gate and your teammate is last it then becomes about the race leader slowing and controlling the heat to give his teammate a chance.

[Stoke Potter]

And there's the rub with your opinions.

 

I didn't say the new BV was.

CrIticising the shape of Brough and you don't even know what it looks like. 'Bit like Loomer Road', give your head a shake.

 

There's an Article in the Speedway Star with Nicki Pedersen this week, and he is saying that top riders should spend some time in the UK to get them accustomed to the differences in tracks, and that after he left Newcastle he chose to go to Wolverhampton, due to it being small and tight for more small track experience.. Blows your views off the page, but then again whatever did Nicki win in his career, compared to yours.

Yet again your analysis is flawed. You're the one who said Brough was tight not me! Are you disputing that it was changed to be like Loomer? Of course, it could've been changed many time since!

By quoting NP, your confusing 2 completely different concepts. Track rules need changing to create more entertaining tracks. Pedersen went to Wolves to improve himself as a rider on smaller circuits, it's a completely different thing.

You also quote me as saying " bit like Loomer Rd". You should quote things more accurately, and give your own head a shake!

One thing we do appear to agree on, Pedersen is an excellent rider, a proper entertainer and the GPs will be far poorer when he packs it in.

I suspect it's the only thing we'll ever agree on when it come to Speedway.

[AlanF]

Presentation. Speedway is 1 minute action followed by 5 minutes of nothing. I don't think there is much wrong with the 1 minute of action, it is the 5 minutes of nothing that needs to be addressed. The promoters should go and see a major league baseball game. They have several minutes delay between each inning. However, there is something going on that entertains the crowd during each gap in play.

[speedibee]

Standard pricing across the board broken down into the three leagues/ tiers - Premiership £16.00 / Championship £12.00 and NL £8.00. All kids under 16 free.

Concessions (60'and over £10.00.

 

Racing commences on start time so any parade takes place fifteen minutes before. Cut out the rider from ntroductionand warm up laps. Introduce each rider who goes out and gets two laps practice

 

Thirteen heats then three heats of any combination of riders but no rider can race more then once in the final three heats.

 

Apps for programmes

 

Riders for the next heat ready by lap three of the current heat.

 

Riders Gardening is prohibited. Automatic 15 mtr start

 

Unsatisfactory start, back to the tapes immediately.

 

Once riders are on track, mechanics etc not allowed on track. If ride leaves the track they are excluded

 

Start Marshall given authority to penalise rides for delaying that start.

 

Reduce the maximum time between races to three minutes to allow for track grading.

 

No interval after heat 9

 

Meetings not completed within 90 minutes (excluding crashes) receive a fine which goes to the Ben Fund.

 

The Ben fund to be turned into a pre season championship chase and every rider attached to a league team in the U.K. Must ride in at least one meeting. Top,sixteen scorers go to a final Ava neutral track

 

Chances of an of the above happening are as remote as a National League team winning the World Cup

some good ideas there . although I dont like the suggestion of giving the start marshal any authority , no names mentioned but the one who does the job at the only end of the M69 currently running speedway . already allows the home team massive libertys not afforded to the away team . given more authority he would have the away riders handicapped in every race .