Poole V Somerset Ela & Somerset V Poole 14/4/17 Good Friday.

[colin wood]

A lot of Poole fans are honest posters on here they are let down by the usual mouthpieces who could never give an unbiased report.They are an embarrassment to their club.

[Fourentee]

Stepping aside from the whole Kasprzak/Garrity/dustbowl/we-would-have-won-at-full-strength-yah-boo-sucks exchanges, perhaps we could collectively take a little pleasure from Somerset's victory. Not because Poole were the opposition, but because the Rebels are new to the top flight and victory in front of what was apparently a big crowd should help them make a success of the transition. The same applies to Rye House beating Wolves first up, although from a black and gold perspective obviously I would have preferred a different result. Sometimes we need to take a wider view, IMHO.

As an aside, that was a very honest post from BobC. Not easy to criticise the club you support, and whether you agree with his reasoning or not the point of view was put with clarity and conviction.

[ray c]

Stepping aside from the whole Kasprzak/Garrity/dustbowl/we-would-have-won-at-full-strength-yah-boo-sucks exchanges, perhaps we could collectively take a little pleasure from Somerset's victory. Not because Poole were the opposition, but because the Rebels are new to the top flight and victory in front of what was apparently a big crowd should help them make a success of the transition. The same applies to Rye House beating Wolves first up, although from a black and gold perspective obviously I would have preferred a different result. Sometimes we need to take a wider view, IMHO.As an aside, that was a very honest post from BobC. Not easy to criticise the club you support, and whether you agree with his reasoning or not the point of view was put with clarity and conviction.

well said i believe you are a kk fan as well

[Steve Shovlar]

I haven't read any Poole fans not saying well done to Somerset on their win. Everyone has said they deserved the win by beating the team put in front of them. In that respect the Somerset fans went home happy with the win, Poole fans can take heart in the knowledge that a full strength team would have picked up the win.

 

R/R was definately the call to make. Sometimes the wrong decision is made and this was one of them.

 

Anyway onwards and upwards. 4 points at Swindon tomorrow will make up for it.

[ouch]

If it had been another team attempting to use Morris or any other rider in similar circumstances, this thread would have been 30+ pages already.

 

With the league being far more 'even' this year, the final playoff places may well rely on racepoints difference, so I hope Morris's scores from Friday are expunged!!

[Pirates Of Poole]

I don't profess to know all the rules and regulations inside out, but on the main point of contention, the non appearance of KK, I understand (from the horses mouth) that Somerset questioned the use of Morris in the morning with the referee and were told that Poole had been granted a facility and that was that. I don't know how this works. Should that facility have been removed when the Polish meeting was called off? Guess the BSPA haven't the bottle to do that, and no doubt there would be excuses given as to why he couldn't get back.

From a Poole point of view I am disappointed with the lack of commitment by our number 1, but like most riders now Poland is much more important than the UK. Maybe he just wanted to spend Easter with his family?

As far as the evening is concerned it is unfair to blame Garrity as it was good of him to take the booking at late notice and drive down from Manchester(?) on Good Friday. If we Poole fans want to whinge it must be over the decision not to go with r/r which would almost certainly got us the win. Whatever anyones opinions of Matt are he is usually pretty astute, just that last night proved he's not infallible.

Well done to the Rebels. They beat what was put in front of them.

Well said! I have real concerns at how many meetings KK will be missing this season. Back to Somerset and a good meeting, ended very slick but a great track 👌🏻.

[Sidney the robin]

We certainly will. Newman practices on Wednesday.

If you think that one change will be enough think again and by the way any chance of giving Somerset some credit for there victory.!!No excuse to sit behind the belief that with a full side you would of won fact is your promotion were not on the ball. Edited April 15, 2017 by Sidney the robin

[NeilWatson]

If it had been another team attempting to use Morris or any other rider in similar circumstances, this thread would have been 30+ pages already.

 

With the league being far more 'even' this year, the final playoff places may well rely on racepoints difference, so I hope Morris's scores from Friday are expunged!!

The rule-book is your friend here. There is no provision for amending a meeting score after the event, any dispute needs to be raised and resolved before the meeting.

 

Art 16.4 TEAM NOTIFICATIONS

 

16.4.1 Home Teams must notify their Opponents of the Team Line-Up at least 5 days before the Meeting to which the Away Team must respond within 24 hours with their Team Line-Up.

Notifications must be in writing, include MAs and where applicable, the reason for Facilities being used.

 

16.4.2 At least 3 days before the Meeting, the Home Promotion must log the Team Line-Ups (inc. NJL/MDL/SDL) Teams at the nominated SCB Website, including each riders MA, details of any rider in a Teams current Declaration, who will be missing, including the full reason for absence and the Facility being used including name and MA of any Guest rider.

 

16.4.3 Further necessary changes must be notified, with reasons given, to the nominated SCB Website, Opponents, BSPA Office and Referee as soon as they are known.

 

16.4.4 Refer to Art. 3.9 (concerning the procedure for resolution of a dispute).

 

 

Art 3.9 PROCEDURE AND TIME LIMIT FOR PROTESTS TO THE BSPA MC (Limited to Team Notifications (ART. 16.4.4)

 

a. A Protest must be in writing, relate to a single issue only, be accompanied by the correct fee and signed by the

person directly affected.

b.A Protest against the legality of a Team Line-Up within the following timescale:

i) For Team Line-Ups notified / changed at any time up to 28 hours before the Meeting Start Time, a Protest must

be lodged at least 24 hours prior to the Meeting start Time.

ii) For Team Line-Ups notified less than 28 hours before the Meeting start Time, a Protest must be lodged within 4 hours of the notification being made, and in all cases, no later than 2 hours prior to the Meeting start Time

 

 

Art 15. RACING RULES.

 

15.10 The result of a Meeting can only be amended if: a) the Referee has made an error in the recording of a heat or the Meeting Results or b ) that an absent rider, having been given a Facility is found to have ridden elsewhere in contravention to the Facility so given.

Edited April 15, 2017 by NeilWatson

[Pirate Nick]

Stepping aside from the whole Kasprzak/Garrity/dustbowl/we-would-have-won-at-full-strength-yah-boo-sucks exchanges, perhaps we could collectively take a little pleasure from Somerset's victory. Not because Poole were the opposition, but because the Rebels are new to the top flight and victory in front of what was apparently a big crowd should help them make a success of the transition. The same applies to Rye House beating Wolves first up, although from a black and gold perspective obviously I would have preferred a different result. Sometimes we need to take a wider view, IMHO.

As an aside, that was a very honest post from BobC. Not easy to criticise the club you support, and whether you agree with his reasoning or not the point of view was put with clarity and conviction.

It looked to me that there was as many there last night as attended the pairs meeting earlier in the season.

Just reward , I think, for the tremendous effort that the promotion put into to the club, improvements to the infrastructure every year and always have time for the fans.

[stevebrum]

A lot of Poole fans are honest posters on here they are let down by the usual mouthpieces who could never give an unbiased report.They are an embarrassment to their club.

Very well said.

There are plenty of unbiased reports this morning from sensible Poole fans.

Shame the arrogant mouthpiece ruins it for you a lot.

[SomersetBlue]

I was saying last night as I'm sure a lot of other Rebel fans were as well, it was fantastic to have a victory against what is one of the best two teams in the league (King's Lynn the other).

 

The best thing about it was we didn't have home track advantage as the riders said on the mic the track was so slick last night and had changed a lot from previous week. I believe more shale had been put down which hadn't bedded in (i believe, certainly looked more than previous). There was some hard and good racing from both sides last night and we showed a lot of fight that we lacked from the morning.

 

We beat what was put in front of us and we'll it's Pooles fault if they wanted to sign a rider who would let them down again and again, I'm sure even the biased can accept that.

 

Was great to see two great crowds with good followings from both sides in the morning and afternoon and plenty of neutrals.

[Fourentee]

well said i believe you are a kk fan as well

Neither for nor against, to be honest. I've always felt he's a confidence rider (even more than most of them) -- as goes heat one, so goes the rest of the meeting. Certainly plenty of talent and speed.

[Bagpuss]

Interesting to see one or two Poole fans turning on Lord Ford. I can't stand the bloke but on this occasion IF the rules state that a facility can't be revoked then it's the rulebook itself which has allowed Kasprzak to stick two fingers up to British speedway. Whichever way round it is its yet another nail in the coffin unfortunately.

[LisaColette]

 

But if his 4 points were scored by beating Somerset riders you would have won 47-43 but rider replacement would surely have done the job.

I'm guessing rider replacement wasn't used cos of doing 2 meetings in one day.

[Buttons]

Possibly because Somerset is far superior to that old Brandon track.

 

Having said that the oak tree arena tonight is a complete dust bowl with billowing clouds of the stuff coming up.

 

Rain due at around 9 and no rush to push on either.

Cant believe your post, I would thought that was a home from home for you then how about all the dust at Wimborne Road no water their either, well only the guy watering the airfence! pan kettle I think.

 

At least it was good to see racing on a well prepared track

[Ghosty]

Stepping aside from the whole Kasprzak/Garrity/dustbowl/we-would-have-won-at-full-strength-yah-boo-sucks exchanges, perhaps we could collectively take a little pleasure from Somerset's victory. Not because Poole were the opposition, but because the Rebels are new to the top flight and victory in front of what was apparently a big crowd should help them make a success of the transition. The same applies to Rye House beating Wolves first up, although from a black and gold perspective obviously I would have preferred a different result. Sometimes we need to take a wider view, IMHO.

As an aside, that was a very honest post from BobC. Not easy to criticise the club you support, and whether you agree with his reasoning or not the point of view was put with clarity and conviction.

Well said Fourentee, we should always look @ the bigger picture especially those controlling our sport ion the U.K.

Biggest mistake yet is award 4 points for a big away win! what good does that do speedway?

[ytsejam]

Can't see why anyone is surprised at KK's actions at all!!

Said before the season started that one of the main reasons Poole will not do so well this season is the fact that he is the most unreliable (will only turn up when he can be bothered) and inconsistant (will only give 100% when it suits him too!) number 1 in the Premiership and NOTHING has changed my mind about this so far!

[Starman2006]

It looked to me that there was as many there last night as attended the pairs meeting earlier in the season.

Just reward , I think, for the tremendous effort that the promotion put into to the club, improvements to the infrastructure every year and always have time for the fans.

Well said Nick and quite right. Must have been 2000 minimum. Just a shame the track was a dust bowl even for a night meeting... Whats happened to Ez he used to be able to prepare a good track.. This was not an Ez standard track,

[SomersetBlue]

Well said Nick and quite right. Must have been 2000 minimum. Just a shame the track was a dust bowl even for a night meeting... Whats happened to Ez he used to be able to prepare a good track.. This was not an Ez standard track,

As I said earlier it seemed like there was more shale on the track so perhaps hadn't bedded in but again as I said to Shovlar Poole fans can't really complain about it being a dust bowl when in the morning the dust was coming over the dog track and to the fans it was that bad.

[Bagpuss]

Well said Fourentee, we should always look @ the bigger picture especially those controlling our sport ion the U.K.

Biggest mistake yet is award 4 points for a big away win! what good does that do speedway?

The BSPA get many things wrong but the scoring system is one thing they have got right, it works well in my opinion. They should have left it alone so that the home team has to win by seven to collect all three points. Well done Mr Cook for that one.