CookieIpswich Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Is this the only way to make the promoters take any note and have a national protest where fans do not attend meetings for a whole calendar month? How can this sport survive when your team has to track two guests because they are riding for somebody else? Enough really is enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Is this the only way to make the promoters take any note and have a national protest where fans do not attend meetings for a whole calendar month? How can this sport survive when your team has to track two guests because they are riding for somebody else? Enough really is enough If riders only rode for one club you would have to accept many more two pointers (three or four in some sides), which some fans might find to be a turn-off, particularly as there would be more mistakes and delays and less competitive racing. I wouldn't mind that and would find it interesting to observe what progress was being made but would too many others decide to give it a miss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Steve Shovlar Posted April 9, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Is this the only way to make the promoters take any note and have a national protest where fans do not attend meetings for a whole calendar month? How can this sport survive when your team has to track two guests because they are riding for somebody else? Enough really is enough If fans did what you suggest there would be no sport in this country. Ridiculous idea. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Is this the only way to make the promoters take any note and have a national protest where fans do not attend meetings for a whole calendar month? How can this sport survive when your team has to track two guests because they are riding for somebody else? Enough really is enough Your concerns are valid, but the situation was exacerbated this season by the very late determination of the Premiership team structure. Fixture clashes can be greatly reduced if team composition is known when the fixtures are compiled - Danny King last season had no clashes at all IIRC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 If it's Leicester you are referring to then their plight might have been helped by keeping Wolbert and not having a double upper in Riss. The reserves should be riding in lower leagues but maybe sorting fixture clashes better might help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 (edited) If fans did what you suggest there would be no sport in this country. Ridiculous idea. Quite correct. There is a point here - while I agree with the guest system, the situation has got totally out of hand - but that certainly isn't the way to go about it. Edited April 9, 2017 by Halifaxtiger 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted April 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Maybe just a one off boycott say the british final would be the one There is a way to have a strong top league, ultimately making the now championship and national leagues closer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Maybe just a one off boycott say the british final would be the one Your barking up the wrong tree mate. It will not happen.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 (edited) For 2018 there's no reason why the Premiership can't have fixed race nights on Monday / Wednesday Monday:- Belle Vue (own track) Leicester (own track) Swindon (only team that has questions over availablity) Wolverhampton (rented, Monday's only) Wednesday:- King's Lynn (own track) Poole (rented, Wednesday's only) Rye House (own track) Somerset (own track) Championship clubs don't run on those 2 nights so the rider availability won't be an issue. Edited April 9, 2017 by Danny Smith 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 (edited) Your concerns are valid, but the situation was exacerbated this season by the very late determination of the Premiership team structure. Fixture clashes can be greatly reduced if team composition is known when the fixtures are compiled - Danny King last season had no clashes at all IIRC. So thats this season covered. The reasons for the huge indiscriminant amount of credibility undermining guests used in the past ten years or so was what then? As for a monthly boycott? Tens of thousands the length and breadth of the country have already shown what they think of the way the sport is ran by doing their own season long boycott.. And doing it year in, year out... That hasn't managed to change anything so I cannot imagine a 'once a month' boycott will make any difference... And let's be honest, at some tracks you wouldn't be able to tell if there was a boycott or not such are the usual crowd levels..😁 Edited April 9, 2017 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 For 2018 there's no reason why the Premiership can't have fixed race nights on Monday / Wednesday Monday:- Belle Vue (own track) Leicester (own track) Swindon (only team that has questions over availablity) Wolverhampton (rented, Monday's only) Wednesday:- King's Lynn (own track) Poole (rented, Wednesday's only) Rye House (own track) Somerset (own track) Championship clubs don't run on those 2 nights so the rider availability won't be an issue. Somerset planning is Fridays for meetings with a restricted number of off race days. Pretty strict as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 For 2018 there's no reason why the Premiership can't have fixed race nights on Monday / Wednesday Monday:- Belle Vue (own track) Leicester (own track) Swindon (only team that has questions over availablity) Wolverhampton (rented, Monday's only) Wednesday:- King's Lynn (own track) Poole (rented, Wednesday's only) Rye House (own track) Somerset (own track) Championship clubs don't run on those 2 nights so the rider availability won't be an issue. great idea, have it either side of the Swedish league 😂 Riders will still be doing Poland, GB, Sweden, GB. It needs to be two consecutive days. Wednesday and Thursday makes more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted April 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 It might just be me but this season it seems even more ridiculous, perhaps because both leagues are closer. Maybe for next year the premiership needs to take am additional 4 teams from the championship to create a "Super 12" The remaining championship clubs should then split into regional North and South combining the national league clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 great idea, have it either side of the Swedish league Riders will still be doing Poland, GB, Sweden, GB. It needs to be two consecutive days. Wednesday and Thursday makes more sense. I disagree, how many Premiership rider's do the Elitserien? If any Brits do the Elitserien there's no extra cost to British clubs. Monday / Wednesday works best for the Premiership as Championship clubs run Thursday > Sunday. The clashes between our own leagues are more of an issue than European leagues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 There needs to be a collective union for speedway supporters. Collective bargaining is sometimes the only way to have a honest debate, the trade unions in this country have brought us so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 There needs to be a collective union for speedway supporters. Collective bargaining is sometimes the only way to have a honest debate, the trade unions in this country have brought us so much. Yes richard the three day week comes to mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 There's already a boycott. Thousands every week just don't go anymore. I wish I could muster the interest to go, but if it weren't for this forum, I'd have absolutely no contact or communication with the sport. Probably to render it forgotten about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Unfortunately boycotting for a whole month is unlikely to succeed and anything less and the promoters would simply find an excuse to postpone a meeting (waterlogged track, electrical failure etc.). Across the leagues support would not happen and sadly you are left with either spending your money elsewhere or persevering. Not ideal but ultimately those in charge do not give a toss about the product, be it in delivery terms of entertainment or value for money. A rum old deal but take it or leave it, with many in management of the teams offering one of two fingers to the paying punter. Nothing is going to change and in a few years my bet is that the sport will become an amateur part time event and those riding have other jobs so it becomes a hobby. Until then the choice is down to the paying public but with so many other options competing for the precious pound, promoters really need to think outside the box. As a form of entertainment (and forget the risks etc because that is not what the public rate the price they pay) it is not good value for money. It is overpriced and delivery is slow, two hours for fifteen races is not good. People want delivery and quickly (think about how long you are prepared to wait for Google to give you an answer) hence it is a fast sport, high risk but delivered at snails pace and no longer a team event just a group of individuals who can ride for up,to three different teams in a week. If I was you CookieIpswich save your cash spend it wisely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Unfortunately boycotting for a whole month is unlikely to succeed and anything less and the promoters would simply find an excuse to postpone a meeting (waterlogged track, electrical failure etc.). Across the leagues support would not happen and sadly you are left with either spending your money elsewhere or persevering. Not ideal but ultimately those in charge do not give a toss about the product, be it in delivery terms of entertainment or value for money. A rum old deal but take it or leave it, with many in management of the teams offering one of two fingers to the paying punter. Nothing is going to change and in a few years my bet is that the sport will become an amateur part time event and those riding have other jobs so it becomes a hobby. Until then the choice is down to the paying public but with so many other options competing for the precious pound, promoters really need to think outside the box. As a form of entertainment (and forget the risks etc because that is not what the public rate the price they pay) it is not good value for money. It is overpriced and delivery is slow, two hours for fifteen races is not good. People want delivery and quickly (think about how long you are prepared to wait for Google to give you an answer) hence it is a fast sport, high risk but delivered at snails pace and no longer a team event just a group of individuals who can ride for up,to three different teams in a week. If I was you CookieIpswich save your cash spend it wisely. Well said. It's all about value for money - and diluting it year on year and increasing prices and "missing" riders from match to match just drives more and more away from the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 I don't mind attending my local tracks for a convenient night out, but it's getting harder to justify travelling long distances for such a poor product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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