ch958 Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 does anyone know any stories of riders who were either great pals or , more interestingly perhaps, sworn enemies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 does anyone know any stories of riders who were either great pals or , more interestingly perhaps, sworn enemies Friends = Jack Millen and Jim Wells. Both Sunderland 'Stars'. Enemies = Jack Millen and Frank Auffret. Auffret Teeside 'Tigers'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeyenz Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Enemies. Malcolm Ballard vs the brothers Kennett in the 1971 Second Half Finals at Eastbourne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted April 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Friends = Jack Millen and Jim Wells. Both Sunderland 'Stars'. Enemies = Jack Millen and Frank Auffret. Auffret Teeside 'Tigers'. oh yes - i witnessed this on a few occasions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBBATH Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Enemies- Ivor Brown and Ivan Mauger in the Provincial League. Clive Featherby and Ronnie Genz(and just about everybody). Peter Collins and Kenny Carter, also Kenny Carter and just about any American. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Enemies- Ivor Brown and Ivan Mauger in the Provincial League. Clive Featherby and Ronnie Genz(and just about everybody). Peter Collins and Kenny Carter, also Kenny Carter and just about any American.I thought Carter got on very well with both Moran's ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Enemies - Martin Dugard and Brian Karger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef robin Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Nicky Pedersen and everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Hans Nielsen and Ole Olsen weren't exactly on the best of terms when Olsen became Denmark boss in 1985. Not sure of any issues when they were both riding though. Also, Steve Bastable wasn't a popular visitor to Plough Lane after he fenced Rudy Muts in 1979. Sadly, Rudy was never the same rider after breaking his neck in the accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBBATH Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 I thought Carter got on very well with both Moran's ? Think you are right Sidney-I referred to the excellent book "Tragedy" by TMC and on p.128 it confirms that-apparently Kenny didn't have any use for Penhall, Bobby Schwartz and Dennis Sigalos.but got along with the Morans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Ove Fundin and Barry Briggs. Enemies on the track; friends off it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 Think you are right Sidney-I referred to the excellent book "Tragedy" by TMC and on p.128 it confirms that-apparently Kenny didn't have any use for Penhall, Bobby Schwartz and Dennis Sigalos.but got along with the Morans.Funny thing "BOBBATH" is i have plenty of pictures of Carter/Penhall together all smiles then so i dont think there relationship was always bad.And i can always remember Schwartz who were hardly friends having the grace to shake Carter's hand after winning the pairs with PC a great gesture i thought.Anyway you would probably know "BOBBATH" was there any truth in the Mauger Ivor Brown feud or was that a myth.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 Funny thing "BOBBATH" is i have plenty of pictures of Carter/Penhall together all smiles then so i dont think there relationship was always bad.And i can always remember Schwartz who were hardly friends having the grace to shake Carter's hand after winning the pairs with PC a great gesture i thought.Anyway you would probably know "BOBBATH" was there any truth in the Mauger Ivor Brown feud or was that a myth.? In Ivan's first biography 'Triple Crown Plus' he refers to a rider he hated but not by name. When Ivor Brown died Mauger did then quote his name as the rider he was referring to...he also kept a little black book apparently with name listed if I recall. I thought Carter got on very well with both Moran's ? Apparently Carter hated Hans Nielsen for an incident that happened at the Shay...but then didn't Carter make a habit of making enemies generally. I admired, of sorts, his on track prowess but as a person disliked him. Visited his grave recently and I didn't feel any emotion other than numbness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 In Ivan's first biography 'Triple Crown Plus' he refers to a rider he hated but not by name. When Ivor Brown died Mauger did then quote his name as the rider he was referring to...he also kept a little black book apparently with name listed if I recall. Apparently Carter hated Hans Nielsen for an incident that happened at the Shay...but then didn't Carter make a habit of making enemies generally. I admired, of sorts, his on track prowess but as a person disliked him. Visited his grave recently and I didn't feel any emotion other than numbness. He did have a gripe against Nielsen and he was very pleased when he beat Nielsen for the helmet.That day along with his brilliant BLRC wins showed how good he really was.He totally destroyed Nielsen at the Shay, and the Carter Dvd is worth getting for the footage against Nielsen/Lee in the Helmet a brilliant Dvd the best i have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 From somewhere i seem to have a feeling Gerd Riss and Robert Barth didn't get along..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerblade Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) I thought Carter got on very well with both Moran's ? He did, I think it was primarily Bobby Schwartz and Bruce Penhall he had the problems with. Edit.... as some other people have also said! His dislike of Hans Nielsen came from the crash where he ended up with a broken jaw in 1981. Apparently Hans doesn't recall it at all, just goes to show how something that festers with someone for years doesn't even register with someone else. Edited April 10, 2017 by Tigerblade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) Enemies - Martin Dugard and Brian Karger. I was there! Armando Castagna and Armando de Chele...think I got the spelling correct? Edited April 10, 2017 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 Joe Screen and James Grieves seemed to get pretty pally when both were Glasgow Tigers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Enemies - Martin Dugard and Brian Karger. Carried on for a few seasons, that one. Martin Dugard was rather ruthless on track - nice bloke off it. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Carried on for a few seasons, that one. Martin Dugard was rather ruthless on track - nice bloke off it. All the best Rob Trouble was Rob Martin could sometimes dish it out but found it hard to accept the situation when reversed...left me with some great memories however! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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