bigcatdiary Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) According to the Redcar website there report say's it was a very controversial meeting and suggesting a Panthers rider in 1 race crossed the centre green on his way to the start line and everybody in the stadium saw it apart from the referee . Well I for one never saw it just wondered if anyone else did there was no mention of which heat it was other than it being a Panthers rider and there is no mention of it on speedway updates heat by heat details.I heard it was Bradley Wilson Dean in the heat where he was very late coming out, as to it not being mentioned elsewhere that's probably because no one else saw it other than the Redcar TM, I certainly didn't see anything untoward and clearly Margaret Vardy didn't either. Other than the handbags between Barker and Holder I didn't think it appeared controversial, personally I thought it was an excellent match with some good racing, it just took a while due to the falls. Edited April 11, 2017 by bigcatdiary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 it just took a while due to the falls. It wasn't just falls though. It's pretty standard these days (not just Peterborough so it's not a particular dig although we do need improvement) that meetings are drawn out and run without a level of urgency. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) Ostergaard was naughty Imo with the fencing of Busch. Didn't see BWD cross the centre green, but did see the Redcar team manager sprint to the phone to call the ref. He also appeared to really fire them up in a team meeting after the Ostergaard/Busch incident which left riders stood around shaking their heads at each other and laughing. Edited April 11, 2017 by Flappy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 I heard it was Bradley Wilson Dean in the heat where he was very late coming out, as to it not being mentioned elsewhere that's probably because no one else saw it other than the Redcar TM, I certainly didn't see anything untoward and clearly Margaret Vardy didn't either. Other than the handbags between Barker and Holder I didn't think it appeared controversial, personally I thought it was an excellent match with some good racing, it just took a while due to the falls. Like yourself I didn't think there was anything controversial other than the hand bags you mentioned also thought there was some excellent racing between both sides . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Wasn't there myself but from seeing what some of the Bears fans who were there have said, they felt the move from Ulrich on Busch was 'hard'. Sounds like it upset a few of the other Bears riders as well. Should be another good clash on Thursday night - shame about Perks and BWD missing mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Wasn't there myself but from seeing what some of the Bears fans who were there have said, they felt the move from Ulrich on Busch was 'hard'. Sounds like it upset a few of the other Bears riders as well. Should be another good clash on Thursday night - shame about Perks and BWD missing mind. Ostergaard was in front and Busch appeared to try and get through a gap that wasn't there, it appears that's the view Vardy took as well. As for upsetting some of the bears, some of Barkers moves were very questionable as was his words in the pits afterwards. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenR195 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Østergaard put tobias through the fence like he did to lasse bjerre last season, he was absolutely shocking again, lost all respect for him now, there's a difference between being a 'hard' rider and being a 'dirty' rider, and ulrich definitely crosses that line, if roles were reversed and Tobi done that move on Ulrich, I can bet people would have something to say about it, especially if you think barker was controversial, the ref made a few bad decisions on the night that possibly cost us the meeting aswell as some bad luck on the track when riders packed up when in points scoring positions, Thursday will be a good meeting, hopefully we don't miss Tobi and Ellis too much, all the riders are up for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Ostergaard was in front and Busch appeared to try and get through a gap that wasn't there, it appears that's the view Vardy took as well. As for upsetting some of the bears, some of Barkers moves were very questionable as was his words in the pits afterwards. C'mon Dick, you wouldn't have Vardy in the car park taking a quid, let alone making important decisions. The ref couldn't see the lines or gaps on the back straight anymore than I could. That was the only decision that logically could be made. As for Barker, good job that there was no grip on the inside going into the first turn because his kamikaze dives would have wiped out half the field and severely tested the airfence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Østergaard put tobias through the fence like he did to lasse bjerre last season, he was absolutely shocking again, lost all respect for him now, there's a difference between being a 'hard' rider and being a 'dirty' rider, and ulrich definitely crosses that line, Think Oystercard has some form there. 2015 Fours v Covatti. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Oystercard leaves a gap, but soon closes it when a rider is about to pass him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 C'mon Dick, you wouldn't have Vardy in the car park taking a quid, let alone making important decisions. The ref couldn't see the lines or gaps on the back straight anymore than I could. That was the only decision that logically could be made. As for Barker, good job that there was no grip on the inside going into the first turn because his kamikaze dives would have wiped out half the field and severely tested the airfence. To be honest Riggers their isn't that many of the current referees I do rate, important decisions or otherwise. As for Kamikaze dive specialist Barker it appears most of the Redcar supporters think that's fair game as none seem to have mentioned it but of course it depends on your point of view, being honest I thought it was 50/50 it certainly wasn't clear cut as Vardy's decision demonstrates but Ostergaard was in front going into the corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 To be honest Riggers their isn't that many of the current referees I do rate, important decisions or otherwise. As for Kamikaze dive specialist Barker it appears most of the Redcar supporters think that's fair game as none seem to have mentioned it but of course it depends on your point of view, being honest I thought it was 50/50 it certainly wasn't clear cut as Vardy's decision demonstrates but Ostergaard was in front going into the corner. Problem being that they've got to make a decision and despite endless rule changes year on year it's amazing all four back hasn't been extended to the whole race. Much of the time they are guessing and just give the easy home decision imo. Even with video replays it's often been fairer to call it a racing incident and give the punters another 4 rider re-run, but we have to throw someone out because the rule says so - crackers! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Oystercard leaves a gap, but soon closes it when a rider is about to pass him. And you think he's the only rider who does this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) Where have I said he is the only one? I havent even said it's a bad thing. Some riders leave racing room, some don't. Easy solution, pass him up the inside instead Edited April 11, 2017 by baldyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Østergaard put tobias through the fence like he did to lasse bjerre last season, he was absolutely shocking again, lost all respect for him now, there's a difference between being a 'hard' rider and being a 'dirty' rider, and ulrich definitely crosses that line, if roles were reversed and Tobi done that move on Ulrich, I can bet people would have something to say about it, especially if you think barker was controversial, the ref made a few bad decisions on the night that possibly cost us the meeting aswell as some bad luck on the track when riders packed up when in points scoring positions, Thursday will be a good meeting, hopefully we don't miss Tobi and Ellis too much, all the riders are up for it absolute bullocks i'm no fan of oystercard ( he doesn't look out for anybody ) but he wasn't at fault for the tobi crash , you have also forgotten how tobi forgot to turn left on bend 1 and rode straight into oystercard in the previous re-run 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Totally agree with your comment ,Ostergaard was slightly in front of Busch at the time so Ostergaard was defending his position i'd rather see him do that than just move over and let the opposition pass And your correct a couple of the Redcar riders were not shy in putting themselves about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 absolute bullocks i'm no fan of oystercard ( he doesn't look out for anybody ) but he wasn't at fault for the tobi crash , you have also forgotten how tobi forgot to turn left on bend 1 and rode straight into oystercard in the previous re-run This both were wrong. It could have been avoided if Busch had been excluded from the initial re-run. Looked like a bit of afters from Ostergaard to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 absolute bullocks i'm no fan of oystercard ( he doesn't look out for anybody ) but he wasn't at fault for the tobi crash , you have also forgotten how tobi forgot to turn left on bend 1 and rode straight into oystercard in the previous re-run Don't think UO forgot (if as you are suggesting Busch took him out in the previous attempt at the heat) To paraphrase the old expression "revenge is a dish best served in the re-run" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) Theres no way Osterguard was at fault.. Busch went for a gap that wasn't there. Aussie twerps and anything linked to "team monster" is annoying so can't blame the village idiot Barker for wanting to land one on him...As for Thursday..BWD is more of a loss to us than Redcars missing guys. They will take the win anyway as we blew it in the last 2 heats. Edited April 11, 2017 by Lukas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 I think Lunna is more than adequate replacement for BWD whereas the loss of Busch and in particular Perks, who has looked really good around Redcar so far this year, make the task much more difficult for the Bears. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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