Leicester V Poole 8/4/17 Ela

[Trees]

 

Said I thought you were wrong to think Poole would go down. Didn't think it would be so one sided though.

 

 

Never seen so much messing about at the starts. The starting marshalls are following the rules which call for the riders in grid 1 to be ready to race first but when such riders won't conform then it becomes farcical. All the marshalls need to do is to stand between grids 2 & 3 with arms raised indicating to the riders that he wants them to line up. If they still won't comply the referee should intervene. Must have wasted 15 minutes last night.

But the meeting was over by 2130 so there couldn't have been too much messing about?

[Barrow Boy 2]

I have been to Leicester 6 times now and this was the fastest run of all. Back in the car by 9.30 and on our way.

 

Not sure why Leicester fans say they are giving up etc. They got beat thats all. Support your team.

 

Crowd was good last night. Racing was not although there were more passes in last nights meeting than I have witnessed in any of the previous 5. The racing was poor though. The track shape still doesn't seem to lend itself to passing. Perhaps it needs to bed in more as the area which had been widened was quite rough when riders went through it.

 

To be honest Leicester got the backlash of Pooles poor performance at Belle Vue the night before. The lads were certainly fired up for this one and it showed straight away.

 

Some are moaning about Bates and Riss missing. Would it have made much difference to the scoreline? Perhaps a few points closer but Poole would still have come away with the 4 points. Bates is a good reserve but Kindt is better. Bates would have taken points from Shanes granted. As for Schlein, he got 7 and Riss might have got a a point more. Leicester again made an error though as Schlein was illegal. If Leicester had cost Poole a point an appeal would have gone in. I am sure.

 

Leicester didn't have riders with the firepower to handle last night. Do Leicester City fans all clear off from their foitball club because they were near the bottom most of this season? Support your club!

 

Don't know what Darcy said but if he was angry with his teams performance he should stay away from any public lambasting. Worst possible thing to do.

 

For Leicester.

Nilsson rode well in every one of his races. Best Leicester rider.

Auty had one good ride but was off the pace most of the night.

Schlein battled and had a win from the back when he got up the inside of KK.

Gomolski had a mare. Leading one heat he stopped when he saw a red light in the crowd. Was awol the rest of the time.

King started well but faded very badly.

Graversen was poor to useless.

Ayres had one goid ride but was poor.

 

For Poole.

KK was good and fast got the track record for a week

Holder was poor. EF on the start line followed by being beaten by Ayres. Not acceptable and he knows it.

Kerr did his job. Some good sensible riding.

Kurtz was superb. No one could get near him. Won his races by a mile. Rider of the night.

Andersen was very good. Solid night.

Klindt did exactly as expected. Gave the team tips on track positions before the meeting. Was fast and agressive.

Shanes was again excellent for a number seven. Turned the bike on a sixpence to have Graversen for breakfast on his first vist here. Passed both Leicester reserves on the same bend! Boy has talent.

 

So Somerset home and away next Friday. Bring on the Rebels. And hope King rides better than he did last night.

 

Ipswich are riding next Saturday so King will be missing again as will Auty because Scunthorpe are also in action. Its getting silly now.

But the meeting was over by 2130 so there couldn't have been too much messing about?

 

There was and it got lots of people so wound up. It's not about the length of the meeting so much as the unprofessionalness of it all. Things need to be smartened up.

[Steve Shovlar]

I'd argue with that. KL, Swindon and Wolves are a match for those two.

 

So Gavan was right then? Where's the BV rider report ??

Not sure what Gavan said but I was away. Not doing a report on an iphone. Said what I thought at the time. Beaten by a better team on the night. Be a lot closer next time.

[IainB]

But the meeting was over by 2130 so there couldn't have been too much messing about?

2 hours for 15 minutes? No 15 heat meeting should run over 90 minutes in my opinion

[Steve Shovlar]

Said I thought you were wrong to think Poole would go down. Didn't think it would be so one sided though.

 

Never seen so much messing about at the starts. The starting marshalls are following the rules which call for the riders in grid 1 to be ready to race first but when such riders won't conform then it becomes farcical. All the marshalls need to do is to stand between grids 2 & 3 with arms raised indicating to the riders that he wants them to line up. If they still won't comply the referee should intervene. Must have wasted 15 minutes last night.

The start marshal was weak. He added 15 minutes to the meeting. Needed to be more forceful. As you say raise his arms and the riders will soon come into line if the green light comes on. Ref could have warned riders to come to start too.

 

But the meeting was over by 2130 so there couldn't have been too much messing about?

could have been away by 9.15 easily.

2 hours for 15 minutes? No 15 heat meeting should run over 90 minutes in my opinion

If a meeting goes incident free at Poole I am back in the car park by 9.10 pm.

[Skodaman]

I don't have to thankfully. As I'm a nomadic Bees fan I can pick and choose, and I'll only return to Leicester this season for the Bees challenge match.

 

The track will never be any good. Riders just get so strung out over the 4 laps.

 

I'll stick with a weekly trip to Peterborough.

The resons were given after the meeting: but what do you expect from a track curator who used to prepare the track at Coventry!!

[Gavan]

I'd argue with that. KL, Swindon and Wolves are a match for those two.

 

So Gavan was right then? Where's the BV rider report ??

 

Yep lol. No reports for either Belle Vue meeting and he went to both!!!

Not sure what Gavan said but I was away. Not doing a report on an iphone. Said what I thought at the time. Beaten by a better team on the night. Be a lot closer next time.

You didnt do a report for the home match v Belle Vue..............and you were there

You didnt do a report for the away match v Belle Vue...............and you were there

 

You did a report for the away match v Leicester..............and you were there.

 

Now dont tell me its just coincidence that you were able to do match report for the match against Leicester but yet couldnt for the other two that Poole happened perform badly in!!

Edited April 9, 2017 by Gavan

[Haza]

Leicester continue to pay the price for sticking with Saturday nights - Belle Vue Swindon and Kings Lynn realised years ago Saturdays are no longer viable.

[Skodaman]

The start marshal was weak. He added 15 minutes to the meeting. Needed to be more forceful. As you say raise his arms and the riders will soon come into line if the green light comes on. Ref could have warned riders to come to start too.

 

could have been away by 9.15 easily.

 

If a meeting goes incident free at Poole I am back in the car park by 9.10 pm.

It annoys me when all four riders are close to the tapes and then one turns round and rides back to bend 4 before riding back to the tapes. This should not be allowed.

[mdmc82]

Bates is this weeks 3rd top scorer (new weekly feature on the BSPA twitter)

Therefore I think he was a big miss compared to his replacement who only managed 1pt

[Shale Searcher]

At old Leicester, I used to stand 30 yards behind the start-line, once riders passed this point, I held a flagged rope across the track to stop riders riding back by that point, combined with the not entering the centre-green, would this not stop the constant riding back round the track at race start......?

[flagrag]

With regards to meeting length I thought last night was more than acceptable I think heat 1 started at 19:50 and last race started at 21:25 with a 10 minute interval.

 

Two of the worst offenders last night was Hans Anderson who wouldn't settle kept rolling back and KK not sure why every race he would come to the tapes with other riders then turn around go back to bend 3 and then line up must be so some sort of routine for him but this didn't help but of course both ok in rules.

 

Maybe it should be like Poland two mins and then race starts seems to work well.

 

One other thing I have noticed at Leicester is how expensive the food and drink is now I always used to criticise Birmingham for their prices but Leicester is taking it further a Burger,Chips and can of Pepsi £9 that's far too expensive considering could go to sit down Burger restaurant like Gourmet Burger, Byron burger for less than a cheap frozen one at Beaumont Park. In future I will go to the chip shop near the stadium instead.

[NeilWatson]

Some are moaning about Bates and Riss missing. Would it have made much difference to the scoreline? Perhaps a few points closer but Poole would still have come away with the 4 points. Bates is a good reserve but Kindt is better. Bates would have taken points from Shanes granted. As for Schlein, he got 7 and Riss might have got a a point more. Leicester again made an error though as Schlein was illegal. If Leicester had cost Poole a point an appeal would have gone in.

There would be no appeal after the event Steve, any issue regarding team composition has to be dealt with before the meeting.

 

Art 16.4 TEAM NOTIFICATIONS

 

16.4.1 Home Teams must notify their Opponents of the Team Line-Up at least 5 days before the Meeting to which the Away Team must respond within 24 hours with their Team Line-Up.

Notifications must be in writing, include MAs and where applicable, the reason for Facilities being used.

 

16.4.2 At least 3 days before the Meeting, the Home Promotion must log the Team Line-Ups (inc. NJL/MDL/SDL) Teams at the nominated SCB Website, including each riders MA, details of any rider in a Teams current Declaration, who will be missing, including the full reason for absence and the Facility being used including name and MA of any Guest rider.

 

16.4.3 Further necessary changes must be notified, with reasons given, to the nominated SCB Website, Opponents, BSPA Office and Referee as soon as they are known.

 

16.4.4 Refer to Art. 3.9 (concerning the procedure for resolution of a dispute).

 

 

Art 3.9 PROCEDURE AND TIME LIMIT FOR PROTESTS TO THE BSPA MC (Limited to Team Notifications (ART. 16.4.4)

 

a. A Protest must be in writing, relate to a single issue only, be accompanied by the correct fee and signed by the

person directly affected.

b.A Protest against the legality of a Team Line-Up within the following timescale:

i) For Team Line-Ups notified / changed at any time up to 28 hours before the Meeting Start Time, a Protest must

be lodged at least 24 hours prior to the Meeting start Time.

ii) For Team Line-Ups notified less than 28 hours before the Meeting start Time, a Protest must be lodged within 4 hours of the notification being made, and in all cases, no later than 2 hours prior to the Meeting start Time

 

 

Art 15. RACING RULES.

 

15.10 The result of a Meeting can only be amended if: a) the Referee has made an error in the recording of a heat or the Meeting Results or b ) that an absent rider, having been given a Facility is found to have ridden elsewhere in contravention to the Facility so given.

Edited April 9, 2017 by NeilWatson

[Gemini]

The resons were given after the meeting: but what do you expect from a track curator who used to prepare the track at Coventry!!

Not that Polish taxi driver again?

 

One other thing I have noticed at Leicester is how expensive the food and drink is now I always used to criticise Birmingham for their prices but Leicester is taking it further a Burger,Chips and can of Pepsi £9 that's far too expensive considering could go to sit down Burger restaurant like Gourmet Burger, Byron burger for less than a cheap frozen one at Beaumont Park. In future I will go to the chip shop near the stadium instead.

Seem to be different caterers this year judging by the chips I saw? I used to regularly buy them last season and they were more like french fries and really nice. The new ones are great chunky things and cost £1 more. The two little boys next to me left most of theirs so they probably taste as horrible as they look.

[Starman2006]

 

 

Seem to be different caterers this year judging by the chips I saw? I used to regularly buy them last season and they were more like french fries and really nice. The new ones are great chunky things and cost £1 more. The two little boys next to me left most of theirs so they probably taste as horrible as they look.

Funny that Gem, my local chippy who as a rule is very very good, are serving under cooked chips now. I had a go at them last night and told them there chips are under cooked. Thats why they looked terrible and would have tasted terrible. yuck.

Edited April 9, 2017 by Starman2006

[SteveLyric2]

There would be no appeal after the event Steve, any issue regarding team composition has to be dealt with before the meeting.

 

Art 16.4 TEAM NOTIFICATIONS

 

16.4.1 Home Teams must notify their Opponents of the Team Line-Up at least 5 days before the Meeting to which the Away Team must respond within 24 hours with their Team Line-Up.

Notifications must be in writing, include MAs and where applicable, the reason for Facilities being used.

 

16.4.2 At least 3 days before the Meeting, the Home Promotion must log the Team Line-Ups (inc. NJL/MDL/SDL) Teams at the nominated SCB Website, including each riders MA, details of any rider in a Teams current Declaration, who will be missing, including the full reason for absence and the Facility being used including name and MA of any Guest rider.

 

16.4.3 Further necessary changes must be notified, with reasons given, to the nominated SCB Website, Opponents, BSPA Office and Referee as soon as they are known.

 

16.4.4 Refer to Art. 3.9 (concerning the procedure for resolution of a dispute).

 

 

Art 3.9 PROCEDURE AND TIME LIMIT FOR PROTESTS TO THE BSPA MC (Limited to Team Notifications (ART. 16.4.4)

 

a. A Protest must be in writing, relate to a single issue only, be accompanied by the correct fee and signed by the

person directly affected.

b.A Protest against the legality of a Team Line-Up within the following timescale:

i) For Team Line-Ups notified / changed at any time up to 28 hours before the Meeting Start Time, a Protest must

be lodged at least 24 hours prior to the Meeting start Time.

ii) For Team Line-Ups notified less than 28 hours before the Meeting start Time, a Protest must be lodged within 4 hours of the notification being made, and in all cases, no later than 2 hours prior to the Meeting start Time

 

 

Art 15. RACING RULES.

 

15.10 The result of a Meeting can only be amended if: a) the Referee has made an error in the recording of a heat or the Meeting Results or b ) that an absent rider, having been given a Facility is found to have ridden elsewhere in contravention to the Facility so given.

So what your take on the Schlein inclusion then Neil bearing in mind what is stated at the top of the 2017 Team Declarations page on the BSPA website 'Article 18.12.1'??

[Steve Shovlar]

With regards to meeting length I thought last night was more than acceptable I think heat 1 started at 19:50 and last race started at 21:25 with a 10 minute interval.

Two of the worst offenders last night was Hans Anderson who wouldn't settle kept rolling back and KK not sure why every race he would come to the tapes with other riders then turn around go back to bend 3 and then line up must be so some sort of routine for him but this didn't help but of course both ok in rules.

Maybe it should be like Poland two mins and then race starts seems to work well.

One other thing I have noticed at Leicester is how expensive the food and drink is now I always used to criticise Birmingham for their prices but Leicester is taking it further a Burger,Chips and can of Pepsi £9 that's far too expensive considering could go to sit down Burger restaurant like Gourmet Burger, Byron burger for less than a cheap frozen one at Beaumont Park. In future I will go to the chip shop near the stadium instead.

Absolutely!

 

I ordered a burger, chips and coke. £9 please. What the hell. I should have said no and walked away but no other choice captive audience.

 

The burger was tasteless, the chips were undercooked. Terrible ripoff! Never again.

[waiheke1]

So what your take on the Schlein inclusion then Neil bearing in mind what is stated at the top of the 2017 Team Declarations page on the BSPA website 'Article 18.12.1'??

clearly illegal and poole probably should have protested against it in line with the process niel set out?

Which imo is ridiculous, why should the opposition have to verify that the team named is illegal? Imagine the outcry on here if it has been poole being the team cheating on this occasion.

[Steve Shovlar]

clearly illegal and poole probably should have protested against it in line with the process niel set out?

Which imo is ridiculous, why should the opposition have to verify that the team named is illegal? Imagine the outcry on here if it has been poole being the team cheating on this occasion.

It would have run to 20 pages already.

 

Leicester cheats!

 

Middlo probably looked at the two teams and probably thought not worth the effort and let the lads just win it regardless.

 

But really why aren't the submitted teams scrutinised by the scb before a meeting to make sure they conform to the rules?

[ray c]

It annoys me when all four riders are close to the tapes and then one turns round and rides back to bend 4 before riding back to the tapes. This should not be allowed.

kk does it every time