Big Al Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 King in ht 15 looks the bigger howler on the face of it. Presuming both Riss and Gomolski were available, they'd both shown themselves capable of winning races, that would have given Wolves more uncertainty. Riss possibly had a rear tyre still in very good condition, and had good motivation to make good for his previous misdemeanors. Never been impressed by Lynch. Seems one of those people who uses 50 words when just a few will do fine. Team looking good, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) Would add to New Science's comment by saying that the decision to pull heat 11 back was a joke. Nilsson tried to get a roller and messed up, yet the race is pulled back. Because according to the referee Auty was "not still" and thus given a warning. In the original start Masters was well away when the lights came on and in the re-run only managed a second as the Lions scored a 4-2. Maybe refs should see how the race develops and then put the red lights on if a clear advantage has been gained by the offending rider. that said, What is considered an advantage? maybe not leading but in second or third? as in the case of heat 11 Masters was well away but Clegg was stone cold last coming out of the second turn in the first start. (which he was in the rerun too) No riding on centre-green appears to be the rule. Penalty is exclusion. There appears to be no leeway for a referee. Riss made a mistake and paid the price...rules are rules and he had plenty of time to make it to the start in the proper way. Talking of Rules, team managers are allowed to swap reserves in heat 14..which as we all know Lynch did not do and on paper the Lions paid the price for poor tactical management.... I think Riss will learn from his mistake...I am not so sure Lynch will! Edited April 4, 2017 by 1 valve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 OK Gutted we didn't take 3 points for the win when it looked like we could / perhaps should ... but heyy, hats off to the Lions showing they can be a force in this watered down ability wise Premiership League ... good to see Danny Ayres and Gomolski scoring points and excellent form from Kim Nilsson and Erik Riss not to mention Batesy - Danny King will have better days but he will come good as will Auty when racing at BP. Â Gutted we will be without Josh Bates and Riss in Sat v Poole - both will be sorely missed I feel .... I like the 'we' bit. Have you converted already? I live in Leicester but I think it's going to take me a few weeks to get used to being a Lions fan again after supporting the Bees for so long. I'll have to dig out my old 1970's scarf and see if that will help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Missing Newman didn't help us at Monmore along with KK, Brady and Jack not exactly on fire!! We will be better next time. Â You got 8 from Newman's 4 R/R rides. How much more did you want ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 So not only is their manager stupid so is Riss, the riders should know the rules! Â What are the specific rules?? Did he cross the Centre Green? or did he just go on the edge? are the rules explicit enough? These are all relevant points,, Â But does the penalty fit the crime? Why it is always the fans who pay for the misdemeanour ???..... . Why not deduct a point from his score, instead, but don't takeaway from the fans the opportunity to see him race.... . That's what they pay to come and watch.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) Cannot see why anyone should complain about an exclusion for encroaching the centre green. The rule has been in force for over a year and makes sense safetywise. Agree that Leicester lost it through some inexplicable team manager's decisions near the end, but I was much impressed with Riss who looked fast and sharp. Â Didn't think Leicester had assembled a very good team - but I take that back! This rule was brought in to stop riders barrelling across the centre green at high speed trying to make the 2 minutes time allowance thus endangering the staff on the centre green. Not for a rider at walking pace going round 2 feet of concrete to get to the tapes in full view and cooperation of the start marshall. But then again speedway fans love been sticklers for the rules Edited April 4, 2017 by New Science Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 But then again speedway fans love been sticklers for the rules   It's a rule, he broke it, he's excluded. Very very simple.  The problem with Speedway is not when rules are stuck too, but when they are not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Â What are the specific rules?? Did he cross the Centre Green? or did he just go on the edge? are the rules explicit enough? These are all relevant points,, Â But does the penalty fit the crime? Why it is always the fans who pay for the misdemeanour ???..... . Why not deduct a point from his score, instead, but don't takeaway from the fans the opportunity to see him race.... . That's what they pay to come and watch.. What a terrible idea that is.. imagine explaining that one.. the rule is your not allowed on the infield.. its not a difficult one not sure why your getting so bent out of shape about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 But why did Riss need to go that way? As long as he on the track and on the way to the tapes that's good enough to beat the 2 mins.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 But why did Riss need to go that way? As long as he on the track and on the way to the tapes that's good enough to beat the 2 mins.... Is it? Akways thought you had to be at the tapes ready to race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) What are the specific rules?? Did he cross the Centre Green? or did he just go on the edge? are the rules explicit enough? These are all relevant points,, Â But does the penalty fit the crime? Why it is always the fans who pay for the misdemeanour ???..... . Why not deduct a point from his score, instead, but don't takeaway from the fans the opportunity to see him race.... . That's what they pay to come and watch.. Â I don't think there is a clearer rule, it doesn't need 'specifics'. Riders aren't allowed on the centre green on their bike under power or not prior to the start of a race. End of. There is nothing clearer than that. Â Is it? Akways thought you had to be at the tapes ready to raceI always thought you had to be under power and on the track ready to race by the 2 minute rule? Edited April 4, 2017 by stevebrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Â What are the specific rules?? Did he cross the Centre Green? or did he just go on the edge? are the rules explicit enough? These are all relevant points,, Â But does the penalty fit the crime? Why it is always the fans who pay for the misdemeanour ???..... . Why not deduct a point from his score, instead, but don't takeaway from the fans the opportunity to see him race.... . That's what they pay to come and watch.. You could say that about most rules, a lot of rules are open to interpretation which the referee has to adjudicate on. What about when two riders fall off from the same team in the same race your left with the farce of two riders doing 4 laps with no competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbobee Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 To be fair to Jim Lynch re: Danny King going in Heat 15 .... King had bike issues on the night culminating in bike failure in his third ride ? Then sorted out or on second bike ? Ran third in Ht 13 but did beat erstwhile unbeaten Kim Nilsson in that race so Lynch probably thought he was still the best partner for Nilsson in the last race ?.... seems to make some sense does it not ? Â As for Bates v Ayres in Heat 14 unless there was a reason Bates could not ride - seems a poor tactical decision not to replace despite Danny Ayres having a good first three rides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTFC LION Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 I think the rule about 2 mins and centre green are linked and were changed at the same time. Riders were going over centre green when they would not of made it to the tapes in the 2 mins if they rode around the track. So for safety reasons, no one is allowed on centre green, also I think you only have to be under power and on track and not at the tapes when the 2 mins has elapsed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Â Â I don't think there is a clearer rule, it doesn't need 'specifics'. Riders aren't allowed on the centre green on their bike under power or not prior to the start of a race. End of. There is nothing clearer than that. Â I always thought you had to be under power and on the track ready to race by the 2 minute rule? Â Obviously its not clear enough, Do you think Riss would have done that if he realised he was not allowed to ? Surely he's not stupid...... Â No doubt he will not do it again, but probably it should have been explained how serious offence it was, instead of assuming he knew... Â Â You could say that about most rules, a lot of rules are open to interpretation which the referee has to adjudicate on. What about when two riders fall off from the same team in the same race your left with the farce of two riders doing 4 laps with no competition. Â In instances, like you say, the Ref needs to make a decision of who fell off first, Usually that's a good indication .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Â Obviously its not clear enough, Do you think Riss would have done that if he realised he was not allowed to ? Surely he's not stupid...... Â No doubt he will not do it again, but probably it should have been explained how serious offence it was, instead of assuming he knew... Â Â Â In instances, like you say, the Ref needs to make a decision of who fell off first, Usually that's a good indication .... Others were exluded last year for doing it so yes hes just that stupid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 The amount of times I have seen riders take a short cut to get to the tapes and not be pulled up by the ref are inumerable. You even see it happen in the GP,s. It is something you see at most meetings where you see them nip around the back of the tapes, rather tahn go the long way round. It has either got to be enforced at every meeting or make sure that the riders know, when they can get away with it. Because iot seems a lot of refs turn a blind eye to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) The amount of times I have seen riders take a short cut to get to the tapes and not be pulled up by the ref are inumerable. Â Inumerable? Â Name one. Edited April 4, 2017 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Â Inumerable? Â Name one. Dont forget the rule was only brought in last year aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Dont forget the rule was only brought in last year aswell  Exactly. It 'used' to be a regular occurrence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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