foreverblue Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 The penalty is exclusion, with the option to take a 15m handicap or be replaced by a reserve. In this instance Riss was replaced. Oh didn't realise that, i thought the whole point of GRW123's argument was that their was not a replacement option because he was saying it cost Leicester the win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) Oh didn't realise that, i thought the whole point of GRW123's argument was that their was not a replacement option because he was saying it cost Leicester the win. Â There's no need to be personal. I have never commented on a replacement, This wasn't the point of a discussion. My point was I thought he Riss was unlucky to be disqualified in the way he was, and that the Ref could have used his digression better in a contest that was very tight. The points that Riss lost, could have made a massive bearing in the overall result... Â You trying to turn it into something its not, is not necessary Edited April 5, 2017 by GRW123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Â You say Riss should have known better, but do you really believe he thought going round the edge of the starting gate was the same as going across the centre green and was indeed an disqualification. offence.. I very much doubt it. Â As in all sports, sometimes teams don't get the result some deserve and many reasons can be attributed. In this instance when the 2 teams were separated by a single point, even the smallest discrepancies has massive implications.. As i have now been told Riss was replaced by Bates in that race don't see it made much difference just because he beat Thorsell in heat 14 doesn't mean he would of won heat 3. Â There's no need to be personal. I have never commented on a replacement, This wasn't the point of a discussion. My point was I thought he Riss was unlucky to be disqualified in the way he was, and that the Ref could have used his digression better in a contest that was very tight. The points that Riss lost, could have made a massive bearing in the overall result... Â You trying to turn it into something its not, is not necessary Not turning in to anything, you can't say Riss would have beaten Thorsell in that race which is the only way it could have any bearing on the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017    And you wonder why fans don't come anymore....  Well it has 100% got nothing to do with this.  Next you'll be saying fans don't go to football because a player gets a second yellow card for taking his shirt off celebrating a match winning goal.  There's no need to be personal. I have never commented on a replacement, This wasn't the point of a discussion. My point was I thought he Riss was unlucky to be disqualified in the way he was, and that the Ref could have used his digression better in a contest that was very tight. The points that Riss lost, could have made a massive bearing in the overall result...  You trying to turn it into something its not, is not necessary  Perhaps Riss should be more organised and get himself to the tapes in a timely fashion.  It doesn't matter how much you turn and twist it, it was the fault of Riss.  End of story.  Not turning in to anything, you can't say Riss would have beaten Thorsell in that race which is the only way it could have any bearing on the result.  Or, Riss could have ridden, fallen off, got injured and ruled out rest of meeting.. blown an engine and been less effective later on.  GRW has zero argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 The point is: the referee has no discretion. Ride on the centre-green you are out, or as Neil says off 15m. Just putting the arguments aside (he broke the rule and he was correctly punished) and recognizing that Bates replaced Riss and picked up two points as the facts. we will never know what would have happened if Riss had made it to the start in the actual race and indeed the meeting itself. What is frustrating is the actual rule itself and how a lack of allowing the referee to use common sense (discretion) makes no sense because as has been said elsewhere, Riss did not ride across the center green he rode around the track in a clockwise direction. He then rode on the outside of the start post and thus broke the rule. alternatively to avoid being excluded he could have. 1. Got off and pushed the bike under power on exactly the same line as he actually rode around. 2. He could have turned around and made his way back around the whole track for one lap to get to the start line. 3. Asked the start marshal to help him across the tapes 4. Asked the referee to put the tapes up (some chance there) 5. (not totally sure on this one) he could have rode through the tapes? and then waited for them to be repaired - I guess there is some penalty for doing that. But if not we can all imagine what sort of response he would have got from everybody...but not be disqualified as the riders were not under the green light. BTW - in my opinion the main reason the Lions failed to gain anything other than one point was that both riders fell off in heat 10 so the 5-0 gave the 1 extra point to Wolves and more contentious Bates was not used in as a Reserve replacement in heat 14 instead of Danny Ayres who came last and it is more probable that Bates would have made third at the expense of Clegg. Anyway, it was a thoroughly entertaining meeting (not the best ever) and its great the season has at last started. Lets at least be grateful for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 yet another stupid rule in the already book of stupid rules , it doesn't add anything to speedway and doesn't bring one fan through the turnstiles , as for safety , speedway is dangerous Its not stupid at all its done for the safety of the stewards and Paramedics etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Flag Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 yet another stupid rule in the already book of stupid rules , it doesn't add anything to speedway and doesn't bring one fan through the turnstiles , as for safety , speedway is dangerous Not a stupid rule at all,it's done to protect track staff, medical staff and sponsors watching from the centre green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Nothing to say you cant ride over the centre green during the race... but obviously you would already be out of the race. But that could still endanger those standing on it! However if you do it after the race the rider is fined to the value of 1 point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Monster Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 If the ref hadn't excluded Riss, I am sure that CVS would say something about it.If the red hadn't have excluded Riss it would have been a different result. Meaning the match wouldn't have followed the path that it took, so who knows. Leicester might have gone on to win by 10pts equally Wolves could have won by 10pts.It happened, he shouldn't have done it. End of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Riss broke the rules and received the appropriate punishment. The replacement rider score 2 points, it's debatable that Riss would have scored more. That said in 5 completed heats in this season Championship Riss has not been beaten by an opponent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) Not a stupid rule at all,it's done to protect track staff, medical staff and sponsors watching from the centre greenyea yea all this takes away the fun from the sport , life is dangerous that's the point Its not stupid at all its done for the safety of the stewards and Paramedics etc. why don't all the fans go and stand in another place instead of the stadium or start wearing a helmet cause someone someday might just get hit by a bike , Jesus what year did we forget how to live , just for the record in the past I have spent 2 years working on the center green at speedway meetings as medical cover and never gave a second thought or even felt slightly endangered by doing it , it can happen but so can getting blown up by some nutter and that isn't going to change the way I live my life either Edited April 5, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 Obviously its not clear enough, Do you think Riss would have done that if he realised he was not allowed to ? Surely he's not stupid...... Â No doubt he will not do it again, but probably it should have been explained how serious offence it was, instead of assuming he knew... Â Â It's clear. He rode here last year, the rule was introduced last year. I'm in no doubt it was explained to him. Only he was at fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted April 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 I was there and supported the Lions. He rode between the Start Marshall and the DJ box the officials had to move for him to get through. It's a tight alleyway. It was right to exclude him. End of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodaman Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 I was there and supported the Lions. He rode between the Start Marshall and the DJ box the officials had to move for him to get through. It's a tight alleyway. It was right to exclude him. End of Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that riders had to proced to the start in an anti-clockwise direction which Riss didn't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted April 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that riders had to proced to the start in an anti-clockwise direction which Riss didn't! Â Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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