Wolves V Leicester 3 . 4 . 2017

[foreverblue]

 

Obviously its not clear enough, Do you think Riss would have done that if he realised he was not allowed to ? Surely he's not stupid......

 

No doubt he will not do it again, but probably it should have been explained how serious offence it was, instead of assuming he knew...

 

 

 

In instances, like you say, the Ref needs to make a decision of who fell off first, Usually that's a good indication ....

Not when they both fall independently or not under power.

[SPEEDY69]

Trouble is, the rules are different to those in other events/countries so i can see how he didn't know. Perhaps no-one pointed it out to him before, a good manager at either of his tracks would have. Other ones i see quite often are people riding out of the pits when you are not allowed to ride in (makes no sense) and riders itching to take off the cut out lanyard at the end of a race despite its use being mandatory when the engine is running.

Edited April 4, 2017 by SPEEDY69

[Woz01]

Trouble is, the rules are different to those in other events/countries so i can see how he didn't know. Perhaps no-one pointed it out to him before, a good manager at either of his tracks would have. Other ones i see quite often are people riding out of the pits when you are not allowed to ride in (makes no sense) and riders itching to take off the cut out lanyard at the end of a race despite its use being mandatory when the engine is running.

The rule was in last year in the UK and he rode over here last year. He should know the rule.

[Honey Monster]

The rule was in last year in the UK and he rode over here last year. He should know the rule.

School boy error. He'll learn!

[The Voice Of Reason]

It's a pity that most refs, and some promoters, don't back The Clerk of the Course - and stop riders flying into the pits at ridiculous speeds (particularly when there's a bike problem).

 

The ex C of C at Lakeside would regularly report this to refs. They didn't want to do sod all about it. Nor did Jon Cook for that matter.

 

And given the amount of bodies within a busy, noisy pits (where you can't always see/hear what's coming) I' d suggest it's actually a higher risk than the centre green.

 

I truly don't know how some refs get their licences. Suffice to say that having 'gonads' clearly isn't part of the exam!

[bigcatdiary]

I truly don't know how some refs get their licences. Suffice to say that having 'gonads' clearly isn't part of the exam!

I can think of at least three that are grateful for that.

[E I Addio]

 

But does the penalty fit the crime? Why it is always the fans who pay for the misdemeanour ???..... . Why not deduct a point from his score, instead, but don't takeaway from the fans the opportunity to see him race.... . That's what they pay to come and watch..

If you deduct a point from his score, the rider couldn't care less. Part of the problem is that in the first instance the club pay the fine and are supposed do deduct it from the riders pay but most of the time they don't, especially if it's a top rider they don't want to upset. If the rider is excluded from the race the fans pay in the short term but in the long term it drives the message home.

 

These riders are supposed to be professionals and that means knowing the rules. If you or I made a fundamental mistake at work it's no excuse to say we didn't know. No point in having rules if you don't enforce them, and as others have said they are either not enforced or not enforced vigorously enough

[Bagpuss]

 

What about; the ridiculous exclusion of Riss for putting a wheel on the centre green when going round the tapes??

 

or did you forget about that.....

That rule was in place last season, daft or not every rider should know about it by now. So just careless from Riss.

[SCB]

Is it? Akways thought you had to be at the tapes ready to race

GPs = ready to race

League = on way to tapes

 

Or something like that I believe

[NeilWatson]

?...in the first instance the club pay the fine and are supposed do deduct it from the riders pay...

That's no longer the case, fines are required to be paid direct to the SCB by the rider or official who is penalised. See Art 3.2.2 in the 2017 Regulations.

Edited April 5, 2017 by NeilWatson

[T.N.T.]

Well Done Leicester on this performance as they would have been worthy winners had they have not let it slip away.

 

King was poor and had bike issues and shouldn't have been in heat 1%

 

Riss won.both races completed and was rightly excluded in his first as you not only have to be on track facing the start gate but also within 20 yards.

 

Kim Nilsson was as gòod as you require from a number one and Gomolski did well but for that race where he and Riss fell giving Wolves the 5-0.

 

For Wolves Lindgren Howarth and Thorssell were fine and Masters picked up but Skornicki obviously had problems while the reserves were very poor but at least took.their first point off an opponent

 

 

Yes Wolves were lucky to get 3 points but apart from Adam struggling they are relying on the top five to score enough to win and maybe having a top heavy team with nothing in reserve isn't the best option.

 

3 points in the bag though so onwards and upwards.

[NeilWatson]

Riss won.both races completed and was rightly excluded in his first as you not only have to be on track facing the start gate but also within 20 yards.

Riss was rightly excluded under Art 5.4.4 which prohibits motorcycles being ridden on the infield.

 

The Rulebook makes no reference to 20 yards - the requirement is that 'at the expiry of the time allowance the rider should be on the track, under power, and proceeding without stopping towards the Starting Gate'.

[1 valve]

Riss was rightly excluded under Art 5.4.4 which prohibits motorcycles being ridden on the infield.

 

The Rulebook makes no reference to 20 yards - the requirement is that 'at the expiry of the time allowance the rider should be on the track, under power, and proceeding without stopping towards the Starting Gate'.

Correct and this means that if Riss had stayed on track, turned up at the gate facing the wrong way (for the benefit of those not there he rode clockwise around the track and went outside of the starting post, not across the center green) then A) the referee could have let the tapes up for him to avoid going on the center green (unlikely) or the start marshal could have helped him across by pushing the tapes down (possible) or Riss could have turned around and rode around on the track to the start even though by the time he eventually arrived at the gate the 2 minutes would have expired (waste of time v the two prior options) but not be excluded.

Just had another thought. Riss could have got off his bike and pushed it around to the correct side of the starting gate as then he would not have been riding it...even though the engine was running.

Edited April 5, 2017 by 1 valve

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

Riss was rightly excluded under Art 5.4.4 which prohibits motorcycles being ridden on the infield.

 

The Rulebook makes no reference to 20 yards - the requirement is that 'at the expiry of the time allowance the rider should be on the track, under power, and proceeding without stopping towards the Starting Gate'.

yet another stupid rule in the already book of stupid rules , it doesn't add anything to speedway and doesn't bring one fan through the turnstiles , as for safety , speedway is dangerous

[g13webb]

Correct and this means that if Riss had stayed on track, turned up at the gate facing the wrong way (for the benefit of those not there he rode clockwise around the track and went outside of the starting post, not across the center green) then A) the referee could have let the tapes up for him to avoid going on the center green (unlikely) or the start marshal could have helped him across by pushing the tapes down (possible) or Riss could have turned around and rode around on the track to the start even though by the time he eventually arrived at the gate the 2 minutes would have expired (waste of time v the two prior options) but not be excluded.

Just had another thought. Riss could have got off his bike and pushed it around to the correct side of the starting gate as then he would not have been riding it...even though the engine was running.

 

That just highlights how pedantic how sport has become. The reason the rule was first introduced was for H&S issues when riders nipping ACROSS the centre green either to get to the Tapes on time, or when taking a short cut back to the pits when the races were finished... The incident at Wolves when Riss was excluded was for neither of them reasons, but it gave the ref the opportunity to use his digression. What a pity he saw it the way he did. Sometimes, common sense should come into play rather than being the Kill-joy all the time.

 

Just a thought to all those posters who think Riss exclusion was correct, do you honestly believe , going round the end of the start gate warrants disqualification...

 

And you wonder why fans don't come anymore....

[Bagpuss]

I don't necessarily disagree with the fact people find the rule daft, but Wolves weren't 'saved' as Riss should have known much, much better.

[foreverblue]

 

That just highlights how pedantic how sport has become. The reason the rule was first introduced was for H&S issues when riders nipping ACROSS the centre green either to get to the Tapes on time, or when taking a short cut back to the pits when the races were finished... The incident at Wolves when Riss was excluded was for neither of them reasons, but it gave the ref the opportunity to use his digression. What a pity he saw it the way he did. Sometimes, common sense should come into play rather than being the Kill-joy all the time.

 

Just a thought to all those posters who think Riss exclusion was correct, do you honestly believe , going round the end of the start gate warrants disqualification...

 

And you wonder why fans don't come anymore....

The problem it seems is not the rule is daft as it came in for good reasons but it is not open to interpretation which some would say is a good thing, the other problem is an exclusion seems harsh and possibly should be modified to a 15 metre handicap. The fact still remains the riders should know the rules and you only have to be on the track within two minutes so what is the panic to round the end of the tapes. This is not the reason why fans don't go anymore in my opinion. Riss got excluded because he broke the rule as should be the case with any rule. Wolves were not handed the meeting because of this exclusion they were handed the meeting because of an inept team manager.

[g13webb]

I don't necessarily disagree with the fact people find the rule daft, but Wolves weren't 'saved' as Riss should have known much, much better.

 

You say Riss should have known better, but do you really believe he thought going round the edge of the starting gate was the same as going across the centre green and was indeed an disqualification. offence.. I very much doubt it.

 

As in all sports, sometimes teams don't get the result some deserve and many reasons can be attributed. In this instance when the 2 teams were separated by a single point, even the smallest discrepancies has massive implications..

[NeilWatson]

The problem it seems is not the rule is daft as it came in for good reasons but it is not open to interpretation which some would say is a good thing, the other problem is an exclusion seems harsh and possibly should be modified to a 15 metre handicap. The fact still remains the riders should know the rules and you only have to be on the track within two minutes so what is the panic to round the end of the tapes. This is not the reason why fans don't go anymore in my opinion. Riss got excluded because he broke the rule as should be the case with any rule. Wolves were not handed the meeting because of this exclusion they were handed the meeting because of an inept team manager.

The penalty is exclusion, with the option to take a 15m handicap or be replaced by a reserve. In this instance Riss was replaced.

[Skodaman]

 

That just highlights how pedantic how sport has become. The reason the rule was first introduced was for H&S issues when riders nipping ACROSS the centre green either to get to the Tapes on time, or when taking a short cut back to the pits when the races were finished... The incident at Wolves when Riss was excluded was for neither of them reasons, but it gave the ref the opportunity to use his digression. What a pity he saw it the way he did. Sometimes, common sense should come into play rather than being the Kill-joy all the time.

 

Just a thought to all those posters who think Riss exclusion was correct, do you honestly believe , going round the end of the start gate warrants disqualification...

 

And you wonder why fans don't come anymore....

If the ref hadn't excluded Riss, I am sure that CVS would say something about it.