*JJ Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 She was called Jason Crump, grasstrack was speedway and exhaust was spinning back tire with his bicep between the tire and mudguard... end result is the same and those chequered nylon suits are practically history. I was told, by the suit maker, that it was an 11 year old girl. He illustrated the point by demonstrating that a hot soldering iron didn't melt or burn kevlar like nylon. Probably the ACU were more exercised about a young girl than an adult male rider! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 I was told, by the suit maker, that it was an 11 year old girl. He illustrated the point by demonstrating that a hot soldering iron didn't melt or burn kevlar like nylon. Probably the ACU were more exercised about a young girl than an adult male rider! No doubt this has happened as explained to you. What I said is how I've seen it happen on international level from over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted March 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 They were leather but very thin and just for that meeting. I am lead to believe, these suits were constructed in Kangaroo Leather..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 I am lead to believe, these suits were constructed in Kangaroo Leather..... As are the drivers seats in driving school cars 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Do KW still make suits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 you Put a hot soldering iron anywhere near a race suit and it will melt . take a look at most peoples right suit leg and you will see a chunk missing where it touches the exhaust . they should get done under the trades descritions act for calling those suits Kevlar . they are 94% polyester , the reason they were foisted on speedway is they are easy to print . and as cheap as chips to buy the raw material .easy to sew and massively profitable. they provide no protection whatsoever .even a small slide off will result in abrasions and burns as the polyester melts .. real kevlar as used in police uniform and top of the range motorcycle clothing is nothing like the rubbish that is sold as kevlar for sppedway suits .. the danes had lightweight suits made from pig skin Do the riders not know better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted March 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Do the riders not know better? It's easier to get bright colours, easy to print sponsors on, no sew on sponsors, that's the reason, and its wrong, Leather should be compulsory... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 And for the hundreth time on here it seems.....I have used leathers and kevlars for speedway and grasstrack. I had more burns from using leathers than I did when wearing kevlars. Leathers are brilliant when sliding a long way along a tarmack track at speed but most speedway injuries are caused by impact where material choice makes no difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 I use leathers because I think they offer better protection in small crashes and rarely ride more than once in a week so have plenty of time to look after them. There is a bit of a hole in the leg where they touch the exhaust! However I would wear kevlars and an undersuit with no problems at all if I were riding more often as they are much more practical to look after. Especially with this armour http://www.d-starracewear.co.uk/covecbodyarmour.html underneath I believe they offer protection as good as more restrictive and harder to maintain leathers in the vast majority of instances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 you Put a hot soldering iron anywhere near a race suit and it will melt . Not true. As I said, the maker demonstrated this. It is the old nylon type which melts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Not true. As I said, the maker demonstrated this. It is the old nylon type which melts. absolutlely not . the new crap melts even worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Kevlar melts at 450C. If the suit you have melts it's not Kevlar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Adding my 2p worth: 7 or 8 years ago either the first or 2nd time I rode a speedway bike, I slid off (admittedly at lowish speed), left leg temporarily trapped under the bike, struggling to free myself, didn't initially realise my right foot was also somehow under the footrest. Once aware of how hot my foot was getting I did manage to extract myself, but the exhaust downpipe, just before it meets the silencer, burnt through the reinforced heel of the leather Daytona boot and 2 pairs of socks leaving me with a lump the size a golfball. I applied a cold bandage immediately and the lump went down in a day or so but to this day I still have scar the size of a penny on my right heel.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Kevlar melts at 450C. If the suit you have melts it's not Kevlar.Kevlar costs a fortune doesn't it, these suits are never all Kevlar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Just bumping this back up . waiting for JJ .or long eye .to admit they were wrong All I can say is, that I watched the suit maker apply a hot soldering iron to nylon (melted, of course), then to the kevlar material. No melting. Why should I admit to being wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Kevlar costs a fortune doesn't it, these suits are never all Kevlar? Exactly. The suits are a kevlar/nylon hybred. I believe that about 4 or 5 years ago what was being marketed as kevlars was pretty much all nylon which the odd bit of kevlar/nylon in places. They were banned, and the kevlar content had to be increased to allow them to be marketed as kevlars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Just bumping this back up . waiting for JJ .or long eye .to admit they were wrong Where am I wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Exactly. The suits are a kevlar/nylon hybred. I believe that about 4 or 5 years ago what was being marketed as kevlars was pretty much all nylon which the odd bit of kevlar/nylon in places. They were banned, and the kevlar content had to be increased to allow them to be marketed as kevlars. Me thinks the biggest problem in this discussion is that in the "speedway english" dictionary the word kevlars means everything from 2piece mxsuit to full kevlar 1piece speedway suit and leathers even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 We had a gorgeous pair of LEATHERS made for my son's sandtrack/speedway days, he better not grow out of them! Black in the main ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 If you watched a suit maker apply a soldering iron to Kevlar , it certainly wasn't a speedway suit . I have seen someone hanging from a board in overalls stuck to the board with wallpaper paste , doesn't mean I'm daft enough to believe it or to try it , because in the real world manufacturers make claims for their product that aren't true people buy stuff on account of the manufacturers claims and are largely disappointed when the claims turn out to be false for liking JJ's post which is completely wrong It was in his workshop, with material from which he was making suits. Personally, I see no reason to disbelieve him. The 'part nylon' suits are now banned; all race suits have to have a label stating that they conform to modern ACU standards and this is checked by the machine examiner before racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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