Bleeds Pirate Blue Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) He is what he is a very good gater but when it gets tough is he one for the fight?? *I misinterpreted Sid's post to be about Shanes, rather than Klindt* (sorry Sid) I'd have thought his credentials as the European Grasstrack Champion, and x2 British Masters Champion, show that James is capable of performing under pressure. Those are two of the highest profile events for British Grasstrack riders... You don't win those types of event against the calibre of opponent he did without some sort of challenge. In fact, when James won his European title he was having a shocking meeting and it was all going wrong, yet he knuckled down, made the final and got the job done and lifted the trophy. Edited March 30, 2017 by Bleeds Pirate Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I'd have thought his credentials as the European Grasstrack Champion, and x2 British Masters Champion, show that James is capable of performing under pressure. Those are two of the highest profile events for British Grasstrack riders... You don't win those types of event against the calibre of opponent he did without some sort of challenge. In fact, when James won his European title he was having a shocking meeting and it was all going wrong, yet he knuckled down, made the final and got the job done and lifted the trophy. I think Sid was talking about Nicolai Klindt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeds Pirate Blue Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) Good to see some Poole fans getting very carried away. Of the eight bookmakers offering prices on the Premiership, six make the Poole Pirates outright favourites, while the other two make them joint-favs (with Kings Lynn). This Poole side also just beat the defending league Champions 58-32, to win on aggregate 98-82. On that basis, suggesting that Poole will win the league is hardly getting "carried away". It's the prevailing opinion. I think Sid was talking about Nicolai Klindt Ah, fair enough - sorry Sid! Klindt did make a couple of "passes" I think, but it would have been fait accompli on the Wolves reserves, rather than a hard fought battle. Not exactly a difficult "pass". Edited March 30, 2017 by Bleeds Pirate Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Of the eight bookmakers offering prices on the Premiership, six make the Poole Pirates outright favourites, while the other two make them joint-favs (with Kings Lynn). This Poole side also just beat the defending league Champions 58-32, to win on aggregate 98-82. On that basis, suggesting that Poole will win the league is hardly getting "carried away". It's the prevailing opinion. Anyone making judgements on a challenge match contested on a heat format that won't be used during the season is getting carried away. Last year's champions was a different team so irrelevant. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeds Pirate Blue Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) Anyone making judgements on a challenge match contested on a heat format that won't be used during the season is getting carried away. Last year's champions was a different team so irrelevant. I'd contest that the "Shield" is a little more than any old challenge match, but whatever, we all have our own opinions. I'll concede that the teams are different so the relevance is marginal. You seem to have ignored that eight national bookmakers, a series of independent judges, all with a financial stake in being correct, who all agree Poole are the most likely league winners. Are you being willingly ignorant, or just plain argumentative? Edited March 30, 2017 by Bleeds Pirate Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I'd contest that the "Shield" is a little more than any old challenge match, but whatever, we all have our own opinions. I'll concede that the teams are different so the relevance is marginal. You seem to have ignored that eight national bookmakers, a series of independent judges, all with a financial stake in being correct, who all agree Poole are the most likely league winners. Are you being willingly ignorant, or just plain argumentative? I've ignored it because it's irrelevant to the point I made. Everyone knows Poole have as usual put together a team that will be competitive. How that will pan out over the course of the season remains to be seen and the results of a couple of challenge meetings ridden over a totally different heat format in which riders will be testing equipment, setups etc does little to change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeds Pirate Blue Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I've ignored it because it's irrelevant to the point I made. Everyone knows Poole have as usual put together a team that will be competitive. How that will pan out over the course of the season remains to be seen and the results of a couple of challenge meetings ridden over a totally different heat format in which riders will be testing equipment, setups etc does little to change that. Ok - so what are you deeming Poole fans getting "carried away" then, for clarity's sake? Because in my mind that would suggest they are expecting more success in the coming season than the prevailing masses. That is why I referenced the opinion of multiple national bookmakers, as an impartial arbitrator of the expectations for the team this season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) I think people need to realise that it's still March and these were two challenge matches. Very, very early days and there will have been cobwebs to blow away and machinery issues to iron out. Wouldn't be jumping to conclusions too soon, the play offs are an awful long way off. Bleeds Pirate Blue, you might want to take note of this excellent post earlier in the thread which has garnered the most likes of any post made. So no, not argumentative, simply saying what any sensible fan would say at this stage. Edited March 30, 2017 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZodiac Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Very poor performance by Wolves. The track was awful - dry and dusty from the start with no real dirt on it - not helped by the fact that the Poole riders had been practicing on it in the afternoon. OK it was the same for both teams but the fact that Poole had had their practice and had the chance to adapt their set ups to the track played into their advantage. That being said the Wolves riders didn't seem able to work out that the elementary task for the evening was to make the gate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeds Pirate Blue Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) Bleeds Pirate Blue, you might want to take note of this excellent post earlier in the thread which has garnered the most likes of any post made. So no, not argumentative, simply saying what any sensible fan would say at this stage. Excellent is a subjective term. Have you heard of something called the echo chamber? Might explain why you seem to like the comment so much. All I am saying is that the agreed-upon league favourites, being touted as the most-likely champions, is not getting "carried away". You, Gordon and anyone else for that matter are entitled to their opinions, and yes two 'challenge matches' in March doesn't make you champs. However, you continue to dodge the fact your own comments are hyperbolic and without substance when taken in their full context of suggesting Poole fans are getting "carried away". Very poor performance by Wolves. The track was awful - dry and dusty from the start with no real dirt on it - not helped by the fact that the Poole riders had been practicing on it in the afternoon. OK it was the same for both teams but the fact that Poole had had their practice and had the chance to adapt their set ups to the track played into their advantage. That being said the Wolves riders didn't seem able to work out that the elementary task for the evening was to make the gate. My understanding was that it was Shanes practising in the afternoon as he hadn't ridden the track before. I'm sure there are other posters in here who could confirm this, and whether any other Poole riders also were on track. *edited for accuracy* Starman has replied later in the thread as follows: "Yep as i said, KK James, Holder Hans and brady all had a spin, as no press and practice spin." So yes Steve, several Poole riders did get a sighter of the track earlier in the day. Didn't do much good for KK though, haha. As for how dusty the track was, I agree it was dustier than ideal. The recent weather, variable forecast and the poor condition of the track the previous Friday will have contributed to the decision to under-water. It does annoy me that the track staff seem to think whacking the hose on it for 30 secs between heats is good enough in such conditions. Edited March 30, 2017 by Bleeds Pirate Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Well I was more than pleasantly surprised with last night's Poole performance, having previously suggested that this 1-7 (Newman aside) were unlikely to make the playoffs imo!! The heat one 1-5 reverse added to my fears. As far as the track was concerned, with rain at around 5pm and the continued chance of showers all evening and the debacle of last Friday, much of the 'sludge ' had been taken off leaving a very slick and dusty surface, even producing the return of the infamous 'blue groove' which has not been evident for a couple of years!!! No holes or bumps in evidence around the track and the crowd were treated to a strong Poole performance especially by the reserves. As others have said, what a home debut by young Shanes. Looking forward to seeing him under the 2017 race format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Ok - so what are you deeming Poole fans getting "carried away" then, for clarity's sake? Because in my mind that would suggest they are expecting more success in the coming season than the prevailing masses. That is why I referenced the opinion of multiple national bookmakers, as an impartial arbitrator of the expectations for the team this season... Poole are always the bookies favourites, it's the law, doesn't mean they will though. No one really knows how the new race format will pan out yet, or indeed how much strengthening will be possible after 4 home and away meetings. You may well be right but then again you may be wrong, it's far too early to tell in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Excellent is a subjective term. Have you heard of something called the echo chamber? Might explain why you seem to like the comment so much. All I am saying is that the agreed-upon league favourites, being touted as the most-likely champions, is not getting "carried away". You, Gordon and anyone else for that matter are entitled to their opinions, and yes two 'challenge matches' in March doesn't make you champs. However, you continue to dodge the fact your own comments are hyperbolic and without substance when taken in their full context of suggesting Poole fans are getting "carried away". My understanding was that it was Shanes practising in the afternoon as he hadn't ridden the track before. I'm sure there are other posters in here who could confirm this, and whether any other Poole riders also were on track. As for how dusty the track was, I agree it was dustier than ideal. The recent weather, variable forecast and the poor condition of the track the previous Friday will have contributed to the decision to under-water. It does annoy me that the track staff seem to think whacking the hose on it for 30 secs between heats is good enough in such conditions. Under instructions mate. Yep as i said, KK James, Holder Hans and brady all had a spin, as no press and practice spin.. Of the eight bookmakers offering prices on the Premiership, six make the Poole Pirates outright favourites, while the other two make them joint-favs (with Kings Lynn). This Poole side also just beat the defending league Champions 58-32, to win on aggregate 98-82. On that basis, suggesting that Poole will win the league is hardly getting "carried away". It's the prevailing opinion. Nobodys getting carried away mate. One win one trophy, 2 more to go !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeds Pirate Blue Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) Poole are always the bookies favourites, it's the law, doesn't mean they will though. No one really knows how the new race format will pan out yet, or indeed how much strengthening will be possible after 4 home and away meetings. You may well be right but then again you may be wrong, it's far too early to tell in my opinion Well since 2010, Poole have won the league four times, finished runners up twice, and lost in the semi-finals last year, so their perennial installation as the favourites has been shown to be a correct assessment of their chances. Your statement as to the new race format, and the potential to strengthen a side is true, but that doesn't change the fact that Poole are deemed by many to be the most likely winners again this year. Edited March 30, 2017 by Bleeds Pirate Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Well since 2010, Poole have won the league four times, finished runners up twice, and lost in the semi-finals last year, so their perennial installation as the favourites has been shown to be a correct assessment of their chances. You statement as to the race format and potential to strengthen a side is true, but that doesn't change the fact that Poole are deemed by many to be the most likely winners again this year. And Matt ford was not a happy bunny end of last season. He will be doubley keen to make sure the same doesn't hapen again.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Well since 2010, Poole have won the league four times, finished runners up twice, and lost in the semi-finals last year, so their perennial installation as the favourites has been shown to be a correct assessment of their chances. Your statement as to the new race format, and the potential to strengthen a side is true, but that doesn't change the fact that Poole are deemed by many to be the most likely winners again this year. Exactly, with the Pirates history and pedigree over the last few years which bookie in their right mind wouldn't install them as favourites, that's all I'm saying, we haven't even seen the likes of Kings Lynn, Rye House and Belle Vue take to the track yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeds Pirate Blue Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) Exactly, with the Pirates history and pedigree over the last few years which bookie in their right mind wouldn't install them as favourites, that's all I'm saying, we haven't even seen the likes of Kings Lynn, Rye House and Belle Vue take to the track yet This feels like the "Which came first; the chicken or the egg" - Poole have been league favs most seasons in recent years. Poole have also been in the league final in 6/7 of the last few seasons. Cause and effect? Or predicted outcome bearing fruit? As pointed out by Bwitcher earlier, it is often the case that the previous year's team has no bearing on the following year's teams chances of success. So with that in mind, I'd contend that the bookmakers (if worth their salt) will be pricing up their markets based on the current side for the current season. On that basis, logic suggests the 2017 Poole Pirates, favourites to win the league with all eight national bookmakers betting on speedway, are strongly fancied to be serious title contenders yet again. Edited March 30, 2017 by Bleeds Pirate Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Haven't seen anyone suggest that. Feel free to name one person who did tho. Unless of course you are a mind reader. On twitter they did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 On twitter they did! More fool them then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 You always get an over reaction from the usual Poole fans its par for the course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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