stevebrum Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 So Tai could ride in this seasons World Cup for Australia if he wants?. Doubtful if he is riding for GB in the GP's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Doubtful if he is riding for GB in the GP's. Cheers😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Would you confidently bet he wouldn't as I wouldn't?. To Tai his home now & in the future is in Australia & who could blame him as apart from not having a team Speedway it's the place to be. He wouldn't because his father wanted him to ride for GB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Let's not forget his isn't the first British rider to have turned their back on the UK league at one point or another. Simon Wigg, Scott Nicholls and Lee Richardson all did so too. Steve, with all due respect mate, if you knew the reason why Rico told Team GB to do one, I certainly don't think you'd blame him fella....trust! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 He has dual nationality so he can choose either. He has always nailed his flag to the UK mast and I don't see that changing. He has certainly done more for British Speedway than the BSPA have so we should be grateful of that. Whilst I don't agree with his stance on not riding in the National competitions I firmly lay the blame on that where it belongs, with the governing body. does he have dual nationality? He wasnt born in Oz,he doesnt have Aussie parents and he came back to the UK before he was old enough to apply for naturalisation. When did he get his Aussie passport?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 The riders have no say about the rules, It's like the uproar directed towards the Poles over trying to protect their product (BSPA take note), If the British set up was well organised, run for the benefit of the sport, properly promoted and stop bloody tinkering with the averages / points limits ( obviously a personal hate of mine this year), maybe the sport would be taken more seriously by the media. Crowds would return and the extra money coming into the sport would benefit all. I can't comment on Tai as he's blocked me on twitter for pointing out his "training schools" never appeared after he called out Rosco for being a liar on twitter. (almost Trump levels of paranoia going on there) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted March 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 The people in these threads trying to win arguments on negligible points is pathetic. Why do we always look to blame others? If you were training for a boxing match against Wladimir Klitschko, but you were only sparring against 5ft journeyman, you wouldn't stand a chance of winning. The Brits need to be competing against the best of the best to better themselves.And British riders wouldn't get that riding against continental riders? Why give Aussies a berth that could go to a Brit? Time to put our riders first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) I've seen this comment made by a few people recently and am genuinely curious...Do Australian riders not currently have to get a visa for Poland to race there if they are racing in the UK? Certainly in other fields of work a visa for the UK would not allow the person to work in Poland, and similarly a visa to work in Poland would not allow them to work in the UK. I've often wondered this. When it all came up about the visa issues a couple of years now, about Aussie riders and the doubling up problems, why can they then go and ride for another team in Europe?? Edited March 19, 2017 by Najjer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 The riders have no say about the rules, It's like the uproar directed towards the Poles over trying to protect their product (BSPA take note), If the British set up was well organised, run for the benefit of the sport, properly promoted and stop bloody tinkering with the averages / points limits ( obviously a personal hate of mine this year), maybe the sport would be taken more seriously by the media. Crowds would return and the extra money coming into the sport would benefit all. Crowds are never going to return whatever you do, domestic speedway will die with the few fans that still go.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 And British riders wouldn't get that riding against continental riders? Why give Aussies a berth that could go to a Brit? Time to put our riders first. Don't you ever stop? You are happy to have potentially 2 great Aussie youngsters in Brady Kurtz and Jack Holder this year and you are banging a drum about giving team spots to Brits! Do you know how hypocritical that sounds? I assume you will be in favour in Jack and Brady staying in Aussie next season and giving their team spots to Brits - since they haven't really been here long enough to be considered "established riders". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Aussies have never been trouble for UK speedway surely and apart from Crump none of them have forsaken the British League? I totally get that we need to 100% encourage our boys though .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Scrutton Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 One of the best teams for King's Lynn over the years was 2000 the year when they were just beaten for the Championship by Eastbourne The team was JASON CRUMP. LEIGH ADAMS STEVE MASTERS CRAIG BOYCE SHANE PARKER TRAVIS McGOWAN Tom Madsen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 One of the best teams for King's Lynn over the years was 2000 the year when they were just beaten for the Championship by Eastbourne The team was JASON CRUMP. LEIGH ADAMS STEVE MASTERS CRAIG BOYCE SHANE PARKER TRAVIS McGOWAN Tom Madsen. Why is Steve Masters in caps,he's English 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Steve, with all due respect mate, if you knew the reason why Rico told Team GB to do one, I certainly don't think you'd blame him fella....trust! Fair enough, however the point still stands that's several over the years have quit racing in the UK and team GB which means there is something not right going on at the top table! does he have dual nationality? He wasnt born in Oz,he doesnt have Aussie parents and he came back to the UK before he was old enough to apply for naturalisation. When did he get his Aussie passport?? Think it's always been assumed that he could select either, didn't he make a thing of saying he was selecting to race for GB because he could when he first came over? So your post throws up an interesting point. I don't know the regulations and criteria for qualifying for dual nationality if anyone does? If true it would be an embarrassment for those who hold it over Tai and use it like a yard stick to beat him with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Don't need to worry about any Rules, Laws, Visas etc. The BSPA Promoters simply don't give them a Team place, nothing illegal about that, simple as that. Correct, but there's always one that will pull a fast one and sign an Aussie, probably after a Brit gets injured/loses form, and they'll say it's in the best interests of British Speedway, and the unwritten rule falls apart... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 In 2018 Poland intend on having riders commit to them an just one other league and wanted to do this for the forthcoming season but then added the words "and your home nation" to the agreement meaning a Danish rider can do Sweden, Poland and Denmark where as a Swede can do Britain rather than Denmark. The issue now is that they allowed Australian riders to count Britain as their home nation meaning the likes of Doyle, Holder, Fricke, Masters, Watt etc can continue to ride in Britainthis season which is nice of them as they knew full well they needed a year to get over the visa issues if any Australian wants to ride in Poland for 2018. Doyle and Holder would have had to applied through Sweden or Poland for a work permit and also be based there so the agreement adding your home nation has given the likes of Doyle and Holder a year to get things sorted for 2018. In future any rider that wants to ride here be it from America or Australia can still apply and get a Visa but by doing so must commit to this country and not be under pressure from Poland to be at every press and practice event. We have Robert Lambert coming through nicely at the moment and next season he could continue to ride here but be assured he is likley to soon be in the same boat and have to choose between Sweden and Britain as would any rider that progresses to a standard where they are ready to take on the world or at least the countries Poland allows them to invade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Fair enough, however the point still stands that's several over the years have quit racing in the UK and team GB which means there is something not right going on at the top table! Think it's always been assumed that he could select either, didn't he make a thing of saying he was selecting to race for GB because he could when he first came over? So your post throws up an interesting point. I don't know the regulations and criteria for qualifying for dual nationality if anyone does? If true it would be an embarrassment for those who hold it over Tai and use it like a yard stick to beat him with. To apply for Aussie nationality you need to be over 16 and have lived there for a certain amount of time. He doesn't qualify as he was back in the UK at 15. If his parents applied for citizenship, then they could apply for it for their child at the same time, which would have been a possible route. I've never seen it written conclusively that he has Aussie citizenship. People just seem to like to think it. I do remember there being visa problems for the Aussie GP, so my guess is that he doesn't have it - although some people came up with the theory that these might have been for the crew rather than him. At the end of the day he was born in Britain to British parents, so he is British. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted March 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Don't you ever stop? You are happy to have potentially 2 great Aussie youngsters in Brady Kurtz and Jack Holder this year and you are banging a drum about giving team spots to Brits! Do you know how hypocritical that sounds? I assume you will be in favour in Jack and Brady staying in Aussie next season and giving their team spots to Brits - since they haven't really been here long enough to be considered "established riders". If I had picked the team it would be hypocritical. But I didn't. Would I have brought Kurtz back? No. Matt Ford bought young Holder over last year so he was bound to have been in the Poole team this season. It will take a few more seasons before we really start to see the benefits of Neil Vatchers work with the kids but it is happening. More British youngsters in euro u21's this season, gaining experience. Time to block the new Aussies out of it and they will have to find a different avenue to progress through the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Scrutton Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Got my Masters mixed up. you are right Steve was English Sam rode for Lynn but that was 2009 (I think) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 What a stupid thread !! Aussies and Anzacs have been in British Speedway since 1928. Long may they be welcome here in GB. Chris Holder thinks they don't need England when they first look to go abroad, so I am quite happy for him to prove his point or most likely not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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