Time For Brits First. No More Aussies To Uk Speedway.

[Shadders]

No problem with any rider choosing to race abroad and not here, but they shouldn't be allowed to sign for a GB club when their Polish/Swedish seasons are over. That's just taking the pis*

[stevebrum]

No problem with any rider choosing to race abroad and not here, but they shouldn't be allowed to sign for a GB club when their Polish/Swedish seasons are over. That's just taking the pis*

They can't now tho anyway, since the July deadline was brought in.

Seems a sensible one too.

[DJC]

As much as I loathe the bspa reading this does have me thinking they are dammed if they do,dammed if they don't.

 

We as fans have begged for brits to get a chance to develop in the 'top' league over here, they do and the warriors at saying X n y riders aren't good enough, waste of time etc etc....while I agree that it wasn't done 100% in the right way an attempt has been made to improve riders! Stevie Worrall for example has thrived.

 

Fact is, we need the aussies, from my own experience it's rarely the brits that stay around after a meeting to chat with fans, have a beer in the old days have a laugh and joke...brits not so much. As a kid growing up I met Crumpy at Swindon in his first time there, he took the time to speak to me, even gave me a cap that I still have now...I've loved the sport ever since.. no Brit did that in 29 years of watching! Yet we lament the brits for interacting negatively on social media with fans.. primarily they are thryingnto provoke a reaction from a rider anyway.

 

Th aussies are needed fact, we have to admit that while fans are willing to turn their back on our sport due to silly' rules were not funding the sport...the poles are all over it, they have money, they are successful ....they pay a shed load more, it's the place to be to progress which also has been said that the brits lack ambition by not getting Polish spots or taking their chances there.....exactly what the aussies are doing!

 

While I understand Matt Fords point of view that he wants his riders here to ram in the crowds he's not the big dog in the sport any more!

[Starman2006]

As much as I loathe the bspa reading this does have me thinking they are dammed if they do,dammed if they don't.

 

We as fans have begged for brits to get a chance to develop in the 'top' league over here, they do and the warriors at saying X n y riders aren't good enough, waste of time etc etc....while I agree that it wasn't done 100% in the right way an attempt has been made to improve riders! Stevie Worrall for example has thrived.

 

Fact is, we need the aussies, from my own experience it's rarely the brits that stay around after a meeting to chat with fans, have a beer in the old days have a laugh and joke...brits not so much. As a kid growing up I met Crumpy at Swindon in his first time there, he took the time to speak to me, even gave me a cap that I still have now...I've loved the sport ever since.. no Brit did that in 29 years of watching! Yet we lament the brits for interacting negatively on social media with fans.. primarily they are thryingnto provoke a reaction from a rider anyway.

 

Th aussies are needed fact, we have to admit that while fans are willing to turn their back on our sport due to silly' rules were not funding the sport...the poles are all over it, they have money, they are successful ....they pay a shed load more, it's the place to be to progress which also has been said that the brits lack ambition by not getting Polish spots or taking their chances there.....exactly what the aussies are doing!

 

While I understand Matt Fords point of view that he wants his riders here to ram in the crowds he's not the big dog in the sport any more!

And i dont think he wants to be..

[waiheke1]

Perhaps thats the way to go. British club bring the Aussie over but the contract stipulates that if he wants to ride in Poland/Sweden they have to pay the British club a large yearly loan fee for his services.

 

Personally it's Brits first for me.

Surely that would only be legal if the club agree to pay the rider for the duration of his contract and if they terminate it for any reason must pay it out? You can't lock someone into a zero hour contract and make an alternative employer have to pay to break it.

[HenryW]

Don`t think that`s quite right Henry, the Polish extraleague contract as I understand it requires the riders priority over all other league commitments.

Only just noticed this reply. This was the article that I was thinking of: http://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/642125/oficjalnie-maksymalnie-trzy-ligi-dla-zawodnikow-pge-ekstraligi

 

My Polish doesn't go much beyond saying hello and ordering beer, so I am trusting Google's translation skills and may have misinterpreted what this article was saying.

 

To me it seemed to suggest that riders who had a home nation league which they competed in should list this as number 1 on the list of up to 3 leagues that they race in.

 

It then goes on to say that riders need to get a statement that Polish league takes priority from any foreign leagues at number 2 or 3 on the list, implying that their home nation league would still be allowed to take priority.

[foamfence]

As much as I loathe the bspa reading this does have me thinking they are dammed if they do,dammed if they don't.

 

We as fans have begged for brits to get a chance to develop in the 'top' league over here, they do and the warriors at saying X n y riders aren't good enough, waste of time etc etc....while I agree that it wasn't done 100% in the right way an attempt has been made to improve riders! Stevie Worrall for example has thrived.

 

Fact is, we need the aussies, from my own experience it's rarely the brits that stay around after a meeting to chat with fans, have a beer in the old days have a laugh and joke...brits not so much. As a kid growing up I met Crumpy at Swindon in his first time there, he took the time to speak to me, even gave me a cap that I still have now...I've loved the sport ever since.. no Brit did that in 29 years of watching! Yet we lament the brits for interacting negatively on social media with fans.. primarily they are thryingnto provoke a reaction from a rider anyway.

 

Th aussies are needed fact, we have to admit that while fans are willing to turn their back on our sport due to silly' rules were not funding the sport...the poles are all over it, they have money, they are successful ....they pay a shed load more, it's the place to be to progress which also has been said that the brits lack ambition by not getting Polish spots or taking their chances there.....exactly what the aussies are doing!

 

While I understand Matt Fords point of view that he wants his riders here to ram in the crowds he's not the big dog in the sport any more!

That's all rather a generalisation, there have been plenty of very sociable British riders and a few Aussies who were often best avoided. Not that any of that matters to me, the racing is everything. I think we should put our own riders first whatever it involves and whatever contract and rule changes are deemed necessary.

[hyderd]

He doesn't claim to be British, he is.

Don't speculate what those attending Cardiff know or don't know.

Anyone has a right to applaud their best British rider in many years, equally there is a small minority that have turned their back on supporting him. Both are valid choices.

Let's not forget his isn't the first British rider to have turned their back on the UK league at one point or another. Simon Wigg, Scott Nicholls and Lee Richardson all did so too.

We all agree that the BSPA doesn't do enough for British speedway. Tai appears to feel the same! Looks like he has a lot in common with plenty of us too!

 

I've defended Woffy from day1, he was born in England to English parents and had no choice as to where he was brought up, that decision was made by his parents when he was 5.

I was lucky enough to be at the 2016 Australian GP, and in EVERY race that Woofy rode in he was announced as Australian, if he feels he is British/English then why didn't he or 1 of his pit crew correct the Australian commentators, if Harris had of been called Australian ALL the time by Australian commentators I am sure he would've corrected them, Woffy didn't, no one did and for that reason and that reason alone, I feel certain that Woffy feels in himself that he is Australian.

[Trees]

First time I've heard that ⬆⬆

[Bagpuss]

I'd say he probably feels that he is both nationalities.

[topsoil]

I have loved watching riders like Holder, Ward, Adams,Crump, etc, learn their trade and strut their stuff in the EL. They all bought something to the sport.

 

But the situation is now changing. With Poland sticking two fingers up to the rest of the leagues out there, it's time to pull the drawbridge up and cut off Aussies from entering the British leagues on their way through to Poland.

 

British riders for British clubs from now on IMO. Let the ones that are already here remain, if they prove to be good enough. But no more young Aussies should find themselves in a team berth to the detriment of a British rider.

 

Last night at the Poole fans forum Brady Kurtz stated he was determined by next year to have a Polish league berth. Plus Sweden is my guess. So he is using Britain as a stepping stone to get to the top, where he will more than likely quit Britain or be forced to by the Poles. Why should Britain nurture Aussies to the detriment of British riders? I can't blame the rider but where is the benefit to British clubs? Once a rider has learnt his trade he is out of here.

 

How many Aussie riders have the Polish clubs brought over and trained up? A big fat ZERO.

 

So why should we now bother? It just makes no sense. You could see Matt Ford was far from happy in the comments Brady Kurtz was making. Well worth watching the periscope footage if you haven't yet.

 

Neil Vatcher stated last night there were some young British lads currently coming through with real ability. Lets use them! We don't need to bring Aussies over.

 

If Aussies want to come over they will have to use Polish clubs instead. And we know that isn't going to happen.

 

Time to stop worrying about the Aussies and look after our own. In 2 or 3 years time we could have a whole load of good Brits filling our sides. Time for it to happen.

So what about the like of Kevin Doolan at Berwick? Doesn't ride anywhere else. Does he come under the ban? A brilliant servant to Berwick and British speedway.

[stevebrum]

I've defended Woffy from day1, he was born in England to English parents and had no choice as to where he was brought up, that decision was made by his parents when he was 5.

I was lucky enough to be at the 2016 Australian GP, and in EVERY race that Woofy rode in he was announced as Australian, if he feels he is British/English then why didn't he or 1 of his pit crew correct the Australian commentators, if Harris had of been called Australian ALL the time by Australian commentators I am sure he would've corrected them, Woffy didn't, no one did and for that reason and that reason alone, I feel certain that Woffy feels in himself that he is Australian.

 

The Aussies can try claim him if they want. He lived a huge chunk of his life.

Do you really think Tai and his team were listening to any of the announcing.

Riders and teams are far to busy and mentally prepared to pay attention to what the announcer says!

in honesty that's all irrelevant. He has never ridden under the Oz flag and doubt he will.

If he does you might have it right.

He is in Oz as a GB rider during the GP's, makes no difference what the announcer says!

[Steve Shovlar]

So what about the like of Kevin Doolan at Berwick? Doesn't ride anywhere else. Does he come under the ban? A brilliant servant to Berwick and British speedway.

A ban wouldn't affect riders already here. Only riders looking to come here from Australia. Lesser riders such as Doolan, Josh G, would not be affected as they are now part and parcel of the scene.

 

The riders who should be banned are the young lads hoping to come over and carve out a career. Why should they be given the opportunity when we have young British lads who can easily be used instead?

 

If the Aussies want to carve out a career, base themselves in Denmark, Sweden or Poland. Let those countries develope the Aussies while we develope our own youngsters.

 

Alternatively, start building up the sport in Australia, make up some teams and get a league going. Yes distance in an issue but it can be achieved with planning.

 

We all moan about the British scene being weak, well lets do something about it starting by training up and bringing on British youngsters. No need to give the Aussies a helping hand.

 

British riders first.

Edited March 18, 2017 by Steve Shovlar

[Steve0]

A ban wouldn't affect riders already here. Only riders looking to come here from Australia. Lesser riders such as Doolan, Josh G, would not be affected as they are now part and parcel of the scene.

The riders who should be banned are the young lads hoping to come over and carve out a career. Whu should they be given the opportunity when we have young British lads who can easily be used instead?

If the Aussies want to carve out a career, base themselves in Denmark, Sweden or Poland. Let those countries develope the Aussies while we develope our own youngsters.

Alternatively, start building up the sport in Australia, make up some teams and get a league going. Yes distance in an issue but it can be achieved with planning.

We all koan about the British scene being weak, well lets do something about it starting by training up and bringing on British youngsters. No need to give the Aussies a helping hand.

British riders first.

I agree - Poole should replace Jack Holder and Brady Kurtz with young Brits - don't want young Aussies who haven't been here long

[Steve Shovlar]

I agree - Poole should replace Jack Holder and Brady Kurtz with young Brits - don't want young Aussies who haven't been here long

Clearly too late for this season but next year a rule can be brought in to stop the flow. Poole will be hit harder than most clubs as we are known as a main user of this source of rider.

 

Time to back the Brits.

[Steve0]

Clearly too late for this season but next year a rule can be brought in to stop the flow. Poole will be hit harder than most clubs as we are known as a main user of this source of rider.

Time to back the Brits.

HYPOCRITE!!

[bigcatdiary]

The only reason Poole and other clubs use young Aussies is the frankly ridiculous assessed averages they start on, if they were properly assessed true averages to their potential we wouldn't see many being flown over as clubs just wouldn't take the financial chance.

 

Only Brits should start off on 2.00 or 3.00, all riders not British should start on a minimum of 7.00 irrespective of where they come from.

Edited March 18, 2017 by bigcatdiary

[Woz01]

The only reason Poole and other clubs use young Aussies is the frankly ridiculous assessed averages they start on, if they were properly assessed true averages to their potential we wouldn't see many being flown over as clubs just wouldn't take the financial chance.

 

Only Brits should start off on 2.00 or 3.00, all riders not British should start on a minimum of 7.00 irrespective of were they come from.

Agree. If they give Aussie riders an higher assessed average clubs will think twice about taking a risk on them and instead take a risk on a young Brit.

[Starman2006]

The only reason Poole and other clubs use young Aussies is the frankly ridiculous assessed averages they start on, if they were properly assessed true averages to their

 

The only reason Poole and other clubs use young Aussies is the frankly ridiculous assessed averages they start on, if they were properly assessed true averages to their potential

How can you assess an untried Aussie on potential ? You can't. To me thats just another excuss.

Edited March 18, 2017 by Starman2006

[foamfence]

 

How can you assess an untried Aussie on potential ? You can't. To me thats just another excuss.

You can't, but then how can you give him a place ahead of a young Brit who wants to climb the ladder but keeps getting overlooked? You have to impose an average that means that the local lad is the better and less riskier signing.