Popular Post Steve Shovlar Posted March 16, 2017 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) Yes but the Dutch team gets a transfer fee.Perhaps thats the way to go. British club bring the Aussie over but the contract stipulates that if he wants to ride in Poland/Sweden they have to pay the British club a large yearly loan fee for his services. Personally it's Brits first for me. Edited March 16, 2017 by Steve Shovlar 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) If he only had a one year contract it would be minimal at best. If we want an Aussie to stay for 5 years then give him a 5 year guaranteed contract. Loyalty is a two way street. If Matt Ford thinks it would make Poole stronger (not picking on Poole, applies to every team) he wouldn't hesitate to drop Brady Kurtz and he would not get paid any more. In football I doubt if the big clubs would want him with one years experience, they might sign him and leave him there, in such cases I believe they actually pay a fee to the host club and his wages. That is a chance such as Brady Kurtz would have to take. He could always try his luck in some other country, we owe him nothing. Edited March 16, 2017 by foamfence 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanF Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Perhaps thats the way to go. British club bring the Aussie over but the contract stipulates that if he wants to ride in Poland/Sweden they have to pay the British club a large yearly loan fee for his services. Personally it's Brits first for me. I agree with this. A rider should be contracted to one team, not one team per country. Of course that would need the FIM to grow a pair and stand up to Poland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 I agree with this. A rider should be contracted to one team, not one team per country. Of course that would need the FIM to grow a pair and stand up to Poland. Do you honestly think that will happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanF Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Do you honestly think that will happen 0% chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Out of curiosity, how many Aussies have Poole brought on and nurtured? Thyey have signed up any Aussies that have started out in the PL when they have got good enough. So the PL has for years been used as a stepping stone for Poole yet now Poland want to use Poole as a stepping stone it's bad. It's how it works. Learn to ride in Aus, hone skills in the PL, move into the EL where they become the real deal before moving to Poland. Yet it's funny how its only just because an issue because it effects Poole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Why not ? Brexit could take 3 years + to complete.if you read my post i said AFTER brexit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted March 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Out of curiosity, how many Aussies have Poole brought on and nurtured? Thyey have signed up any Aussies that have started out in the PL when they have got good enough. So the PL has for years been used as a stepping stone for Poole yet now Poland want to use Poole as a stepping stone it's bad. It's how it works. Learn to ride in Aus, hone skills in the PL, move into the EL where they become the real deal before moving to Poland. Yet it's funny how its only just because an issue because it effects Poole Crump, Adams,Boyce, Holder,Holder,Kurtz plus many more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 What a stupid thread !! Aussies and Anzacs have been in British Speedway since 1928. Long may they be welcome here in GB. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Crump, Adams,Boyce, Holder,Holder,Kurtz plus many more Holder, Holder and Kurtz started at Iow, Plymouth and Somerset (& Denmark before that). Crump, Adams and Boyce have retired having between them only missed about 3 season of British Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 To an extent i would agree with Steve.Stop being a stepping stone and training ground for foreign riders and prioritise our own.If it means Aussies getting shut out or having to try another country so be it.It would hopefully push them down the world ratings and push us up.All for that.The trouble i do see is that some of our riders might also turn their back on our league if they get an offer from Poland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 The issue surely is not to stop them coming over in the first place but simply have the cojones to make them sign a watertight contract with the backing of the FIM. Seems fair. If Poland can get away with ridiculous contracts then why can't we? Any new Aussies coming to Britain must sign a contract committing them to the UK first for say 8 years? We are still the best breeding ground outside of Poland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 if you read my post i said AFTER brexit And clearly you didn't read my post. That could take up to 3 years.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 And clearly you didn't read my post. That could take up to 3 years.. You must be a troll I don't think anyone can be that thick... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Also how many seasons have any of the aussies missed, only Crump surely? Of course they wanna race for the money on offer in Poland and of course it pees me off that the Poles are blackmailing the riders, I'm gonna be making another weeny protest and will not be going to Poland or watching any streaming .... When Poland as a country changes and the people have other pursuits than Speedway things will change again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 I have loved watching riders like Holder, Ward, Adams,Crump, etc, learn their trade and strut their stuff in the EL. They all bought something to the sport. But the situation is now changing. With Poland sticking two fingers up to the rest of the leagues out there, it's time to pull the drawbridge up and cut off Aussies from entering the British leagues on their way through to Poland. British riders for British clubs from now on IMO. Let the ones that are already here remain, if they prove to be good enough. But no more young Aussies should find themselves in a team berth to the detriment of a British rider. Last night at the Poole fans forum Brady Kurtz stated he was determined by next year to have a Polish league berth. Plus Sweden is my guess. So he is using Britain as a stepping stone to get to the top, where he will more than likely quit Britain or be forced to by the Poles. Why should Britain nurture Aussies to the detriment of British riders? I can't blame the rider but where is the benefit to British clubs? Once a rider has learnt his trade he is out of here. How many Aussie riders have the Polish clubs brought over and trained up? A big fat ZERO. So why should we now bother? It just makes no sense. You could see Matt Ford was far from happy in the comments Brady Kurtz was making. Well worth watching the periscope footage if you haven't yet. Neil Vatcher stated last night there were some young British lads currently coming through with real ability. Lets use them! We don't need to bring Aussies over. If Aussies want to come over they will have to use Polish clubs instead. And we know that isn't going to happen. Time to stop worrying about the Aussies and look after our own. In 2 or 3 years time we could have a whole load of good Brits filling our sides. Time for it to happen. You do raise some good points there Steve but can you honestly say you'd be saying the same thing if Darcy was still riding?. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 And clearly you didn't read my post. That could take up to 3 years.. my question was after brexit you said up to three years totally different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Depends what you want from your weekly speedway fix. To see some of the best young Aussie talent (albeit until they pack their rucksacks and head over to Poland), or a team made up of Brits and lower rate Danes/Swedes. Speedway is an entertainment business. You want the best riders possible over here. There may be one or two Brits who will make the grade, but many will never be above Championship reserve class. "Team GB" is a bit of a nonsense. An excuse to get the Union flags out for a week or so during the World Cup. The rest of the time we're cheering on our own sides made up mostly of foreigners. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Out of curiosity, how many Aussies have Poole brought on and nurtured? Thyey have signed up any Aussies that have started out in the PL when they have got good enough. So the PL has for years been used as a stepping stone for Poole yet now Poland want to use Poole as a stepping stone it's bad. It's how it works. Learn to ride in Aus, hone skills in the PL, move into the EL where they become the real deal before moving to Poland. Yet it's funny how its only just because an issue because it effects Poole Who paid for several of the young Aussies when they first came over to ride in the PL - Poole!! Matt Ford and before him Mervyn Stewkesbury - and no doubt some other British Promoters. Nobody is blaming the riders for seeking the money while its there and its extremely unlikely to affect any Premiership fixtures because there aren't any on Poland's nominated race day - Sunday. Its the priority for rearranged meetings that is causing the issue. Why should a British club lose a rider that they have financed just on the off chance of that rider getting an occasional meeting in Poland, but having to be there anyway - especially when the Poles already have a squad system!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Why wasn't Jack on the panel last night as advertised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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