Steve Shovlar Posted April 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 I find that strange Poole won trophy after trophy with mainly Aussie riders and now ss is saying Brits first .Funny old world But if we put Brits first over Aussies in a matter of a few years some of then could have developed into top liners. We complain that there are not enough Brits coming through, so when I suggest that we should axe the Aussies who seem to want to disappear over to Poland and Sweden at the first opportunity, we train our own guys up. The opening post received many likes, showing I am not the only person who actually thinks this. Of course we could continue to bring over Aussies, let them train themselves up before vanishing. Or, why not give those berths to Brits, let them learn, and in years to come benefit the British leagues. Let the Poles bring over the young Aussies and train them up. Over the years i have enjoyed watching the Aussies so much i could not imagine watching speedway without them.Poole over the years have benefitted so much from having them Crump,Adams,Boyce,Holder,Ward,Guasco Sullivan as examples. Sure we have. But then Poland wasn't cherry picking and telling them not to ride over here, which will 100% be the case next season when riders can only chose two leagues. Start now. No more Aussie youngsters next season. Brits instead. Sure standard will drop for a year or two but so what? Brits first, second and third. Aussie youngsters can go straight to Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) But if we put Brits first over Aussies in a matter of a few years some of then could have developed into top liners. We complain that there are not enough Brits coming through, so when I suggest that we should axe the Aussies who seem to want to disappear over to Poland and Sweden at the first opportunity, we train our own guys up. The opening post received many likes, showing I am not the only person who actually thinks this. Of course we could continue to bring over Aussies, let them train themselves up before vanishing. Or, why not give those berths to Brits, let them learn, and in years to come benefit the British leagues. Let the Poles bring over the young Aussies and train them up. Sure we have. But then Poland wasn't cherry picking and telling them not to ride over here, which will 100% be the case next season when riders can only chose two leagues. Start now. No more Aussie youngsters next season. Brits instead. Sure standard will drop for a year or two but so what? Brits first, second and third. Aussie youngsters can go straight to Poland. You can't use Aussies and Poles for major success over very recent years and then say all clubs should ditch them all.Hypocrisy of the highest order. We should have done more to help the Brits 10 years ago but clubs like Poole were only too happy to use the next sensation on a 4 point average for years and ignore the next generation of Brits. It's admirable you recognise this now but Poole of all clubs have ignored Brits largely for years. Newman is probably the only British success (establishing at top flight level) Poole have helped. Howarth was shoved from pillar to post for several years whilst Ellis had been developed by others before he made progress with Poole last year. Edited April 4, 2017 by stevebrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) Poole were probably the worst club for not helping to bring Brits along. Lets not kid ourselves if Kyle Newman had improved his average he wouldnt be kept on. Holder, Watt, Ward, Tungate, Josh G, North, Dyer. All Aussies that have helped Poole to gain success. Then Poole would employ riders like THJ, Darkin, Swist, Eriksson, Davidsson, Gafurov, Andersson, Mrockza, all riders who they wanted to use on low averages to help them get the ultimate goal of the title. Also to a lesser extent Milik and Madsen. The lack of Brits used is low, Ashworth, Howarth, Kennett, Boxall, Ellis, Starke are the ones that come to mind that Poole moved on asap. I have no issue with teams using foreign riders but Poole are the worst team in helping British youngsters so its a bit strange that a Poole fan started the thread!! Edited April 4, 2017 by Gavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 You can't use Aussies and Poles for major success over very recent years and then say all clubs should ditch them all. Hypocrisy of the highest order. We should have done more to help the Brits 10 years ago but clubs like Poole were only too happy to use the next sensation on a 4 point average for years and ignore the next generation of Brits. It's admirable you recognise this now but Poole of all clubs have ignored Brits largely for years. Newman is probably the only British success (establishing at top flight level) Poole have helped. Howarth was shoved from pillar to post for several years whilst Ellis had been developed by others before he made progress with Poole last year. Theres no hypocrisy. I don't chose the team. If rules allow Aussies then a team is not going to ignore them otherwise penalise itself to the detriment of putting out a team capable of winning the league. Remove the Aussie riders and put rules in place that the championship teams must have a minimum of 4 Brits and Premier teams three. Put in place training sessions for Brits to get as much track time as conditions/time allows. Entry for new Aussies is via Poland or Sweden. Aussies have used the British leagues as their training leagues, never making the slightest effort to get a league structure in place down under. Perhaps if such a rule was to come in, they would. Yes there are issues with distance but even a local league structure could be put in place. Brits first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Theres no hypocrisy. I don't chose the team. If rules allow Aussies then a team is not going to ignore them otherwise penalise itself to the detriment of putting out a team capable of winning the league. Remove the Aussie riders and put rules in place that the championship teams must have a minimum of 4 Brits and Premier teams three. Put in place training sessions for Brits to get as much track time as conditions/time allows. Entry for new Aussies is via Poland or Sweden. Aussies have used the British leagues as their training leagues, never making the slightest effort to get a league structure in place down under. Perhaps if such a rule was to come in, they would. Yes there are issues with distance but even a local league structure could be put in place. Brits first. You are such a windup merchant! Of course there is hypocrisy - whether you pick the team or not (as I pointed out previously). Poole has been a conveyor belt for Aussies over Brits for years and I didn't hear you complaining - but now you are - hmmmm! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Neil street was the king pin at Poole bringing Aussie to rider's and there was some darn good ones over the years.keep them coming i say 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highside Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Theres no hypocrisy. I don't chose the team. If rules allow Aussies then a team is not going to ignore them otherwise penalise itself to the detriment of putting out a team capable of winning the league. Remove the Aussie riders and put rules in place that the championship teams must have a minimum of 4 Brits and Premier teams three. Put in place training sessions for Brits to get as much track time as conditions/time allows. Entry for new Aussies is via Poland or Sweden. Aussies have used the British leagues as their training leagues, never making the slightest effort to get a league structure in place down under. Perhaps if such a rule was to come in, they would. Yes there are issues with distance but even a local league structure could be put in place. Brits first. Two Brits Two Aussies Two Danes and a Pole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeds Pirate Blue Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 People are clear Shov isn't the Poole Management right? And that he can express views on his desires for the sport that do not reflect Poole's best interests? Why does Poole's recent success with Aussies (and Poles) mean that Steve can't push a British riders first agenda? Everything is so black and white! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Surprised nobody has mentioned the likes of Gary Havelock, Steve Schofield, Scott Nicholls and the late Lee Richardson as far as Poole are concerned. How far do people want to go back? Malcolm Simmons, Michael Lee...................... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 I'm trying to think of the current crop of Aussies who have forsaken the UK for somewhere else.... As I recall Brady Kurtz riode in Denmark before committing to Somerset so it does work in reverse. Time to end this thread and get on with the new dawn that is British speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 I blame Kings Lynn for bringing Darcy over!!!!! ;-) ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 I'm trying to think of the current crop of Aussies who have forsaken the UK for somewhere else.... As I recall Brady Kurtz riode in Denmark before committing to Somerset so it does work in reverse. Time to end this thread and get on with the new dawn that is British speedway. It has nothing to do with what has happened, but what is going to happen. Poland demand that riders only chose two leagues maximum from next season. We haven't yet seen a single rider with big enough balls to say no to Poland. Iversen wanted to ride here but coudn't. Next year two leagues only. Will Holder and Doyle, Batchelor, Kurtz, Fricke give up Sweden for UK? Time to act. Start bringing in the British youngsters at reserve in championship teams, and Brits at reserve in the Premer league plus one in the 1-5. No Klindts at reserve. See. Doesn't help Poole. No blinkers on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 It has nothing to do with what has happened, but what is going to happen. Poland demand that riders only chose two leagues maximum from next season. We haven't yet seen a single rider with big enough balls to say no to Poland. Iversen wanted to ride here but coudn't. Next year two leagues only. Will Holder and Doyle, Batchelor, Kurtz, Fricke give up Sweden for UK? No they won't.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Seem to remember them as part of a side rebuild they got rid of Kyle Howarth and replaced him with Mickey Dyer. Where is Dyer now?Good grief, how often do you need this explaining Any chance you could stop trolling, Gavan? I've explained to you several times already, Howarth went as part of a double change in May, when Ward was badly injured. They were replaced by THJ and Pawlicki. Dyer replaced Stachyra much later on in the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Good grief, how often do you need this explaining He jumps from one thread to another.. Totally forgets about Ippo who are supposed to be his club. Alledgedly.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Neil street was the king pin at Poole bringing Aussie to rider's and there was some darn good ones over the years.keep them coming i say You clearly want British speedway to die with your statement. There has always been favoritism for Aussies at Poole for well over 30 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 You clearly want British speedway to die with your statement. There has always been favoritism for Aussies at Poole for well over 30 years. But it has delivered titles and entertainment, that's just good business sense.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Actually mr shovvy, Qld had a league in place about 20 years ago, pretty sure it was started by Tony & Steve langdon's dad, Ronny & Bob Cowley (Mick Doohan's mate), problem was it didn't last long as if you rode for the Townsville tigers & raced at Gold Coast it was a 14 hr trip to get there & you guessed it, 14 hrs back & when you were only getting $20/$30 a point not pounds you essentially rode for free. But it was good while it lasted... Aussies have used the British leagues as their training leagues, never making the slightest effort to get a league structure in place down under. Perhaps if such a rule was to come in, they would. Yes there are issues with distance but even a local league structure could be put in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 You clearly want British speedway to die with your statement. There has always been favoritism for Aussies at Poole for well over 30 years. yes since 1985 when stewskberry and Ansell came from Weymouth speedway would die without foreign riders anyway just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) Reading this weeks speedway star regarding the European leagues I would say Sweden are tottering on the brink. Yet they still sign expensive riders - bonkers. Some Polish clubs are in a similar plight but they have a huge supply of riders and pay crazy money but it cannot last. Edited April 4, 2017 by GWC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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