Popular Post Steve Shovlar Posted March 16, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) I have loved watching riders like Holder, Ward, Adams,Crump, etc, learn their trade and strut their stuff in the EL. They all bought something to the sport. But the situation is now changing. With Poland sticking two fingers up to the rest of the leagues out there, it's time to pull the drawbridge up and cut off Aussies from entering the British leagues on their way through to Poland. British riders for British clubs from now on IMO. Let the ones that are already here remain, if they prove to be good enough. But no more young Aussies should find themselves in a team berth to the detriment of a British rider. Last night at the Poole fans forum Brady Kurtz stated he was determined by next year to have a Polish league berth. Plus Sweden is my guess. So he is using Britain as a stepping stone to get to the top, where he will more than likely quit Britain or be forced to by the Poles. Why should Britain nurture Aussies to the detriment of British riders? I can't blame the rider but where is the benefit to British clubs? Once a rider has learnt his trade he is out of here. How many Aussie riders have the Polish clubs brought over and trained up? A big fat ZERO. So why should we now bother? It just makes no sense. You could see Matt Ford was far from happy in the comments Brady Kurtz was making. Well worth watching the periscope footage if you haven't yet. Neil Vatcher stated last night there were some young British lads currently coming through with real ability. Lets use them! We don't need to bring Aussies over. If Aussies want to come over they will have to use Polish clubs instead. And we know that isn't going to happen. Time to stop worrying about the Aussies and look after our own. In 2 or 3 years time we could have a whole load of good Brits filling our sides. Time for it to happen. Edited March 16, 2017 by Steve Shovlar 31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grovesred Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 No. I don't care if a rider is from Timperley or Timbuktu, as long as he gives of his best, and his best is good enough for my club. If he then moves on to better-paid work in a better league, good luck to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Ask yourself though, what would you do if you were offered a job with more money and bigger benefits. Majority would take it, not the riders fault, it's the polish who are getting cocky and arrogant they should be taking the blame not the riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hyderd Posted March 16, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 your timing is typical SS, No big No 1 Aussie now at Poole, so nows the time to ban them. Great idea ........not. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 How Australia riders make it to Poland then less than 50% how team's are we going have with Brits only not many Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notenoughnerve Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 At a time when we want to reduce guests and do away with 'double uppers' it seems a great plan to reduce the number of riders in the UK by banning Australians. Well done you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 How Australia riders make it to Poland then less than 50% how team's are we going have with Brits only not many Can we have this in English please? I said elsewhere that overseas riders coming here to gain experience and improve their status, should have to sign-up to a minimum period here (say 5yrs). Time for the BSPA to counter what is going on. I wouldn't actually ban riders of any nationality but I would certainly impose a commitment clause. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 your timing is typical SS, No big No 1 Aussie now at Poole, so nows the time to ban them. Great idea ........not. To be fair to him, I don't think that's a reasonable arguement as Poole do have Brady Kurtz and Jack Holder in their side - who are in the exact mold of rider SS has spoken about in his opening post. For what it's worth, I have no problem with riders 'using' the British Leagues as a period of development for want of a better term. At Somerset we have had our fair share and it's been great to have Kurtz, Jake Allen, Sam Masters etc in our side when we've bought them over. The problem for me comes when Poland comes a calling and Britain goes onto the back burner. As soon as Poland starts taking priority is the time when I would stop using these riders - regardless of which country they are from. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 To be fair to him, I don't think that's a reasonable arguement as Poole do have Brady Kurtz and Jack Holder in their side - who are in the exact mold of rider SS has spoken about in his opening post. For what it's worth, I have no problem with riders 'using' the British Leagues as a period of development for want of a better term. At Somerset we have had our fair share and it's been great to have Kurtz, Jake Allen, Sam Masters etc in our side when we've bought them over. The problem for me comes when Poland comes a calling and Britain goes onto the back burner. As soon as Poland starts taking priority is the time when I would stop using these riders - regardless of which country they are from. You can bet your last penny that IF Poole still had C Holder, this topic would not of come from SS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 The issue surely is not to stop them coming over in the first place but simply have the cojones to make them sign a watertight contract with the backing of the FIM. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted March 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) Really though its only the riders from Australia where we have this issue. The USA is dead in the water and all other foreigners have their own leagues to race in. Australia have never had a league system and for decades have used the British leagues for a career. Time for it to end. As for arguing Holder is no longer at Poole is a nonsense. We have two Aussies in our side and whats the betting once trained up they will disappear over the horizon along with Fricke? Time for Brits to come first, second and third. If we did this within five years we will have some great talent representing our country. Let the Poles bring the aussies through. Edited March 16, 2017 by Steve Shovlar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) To be fair to him, I don't think that's a reasonable arguement as Poole do have Brady Kurtz and Jack Holder in their side - who are in the exact mold of rider SS has spoken about in his opening post. For what it's worth, I have no problem with riders 'using' the British Leagues as a period of development for want of a better term. At Somerset we have had our fair share and it's been great to have Kurtz, Jake Allen, Sam Masters etc in our side when we've bought them over. The problem for me comes when Poland comes a calling and Britain goes onto the back burner. As soon as Poland starts taking priority is the time when I would stop using these riders - regardless of which country they are from. Problem is when Poland start talking money they are gone.. Edited March 16, 2017 by Starman2006 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 In order for our young riders to develop and tune their skills, we need the likes of Fricke,young Holder, J Allen etc,etc. As without them there will not be enough decent riders to test our own good young riders, just how good they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 You can bet your last penny that IF Poole still had C Holder, this topic would not of come from SS ss clearly says "let the ones that are here remain" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted March 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 In order for our young riders to develop and tune their skills, we need the likes of Fricke,young Holder, J Allen etc,etc. As without them there will not be enough decent riders to test our own good young riders, just how good they are. Disagree. There will still be continental riders to challenge the young Brits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Disagree. There will still be continental riders to challenge the young Brits.may not be after brexit though ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 may not be after brexit though ? Why not ? Brexit could take 3 years + to complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanF Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 I don't see the problem. If a young Aussie football player joins a team in the Netherlands and progresses well, he is going to join a Premier League team who will pay him about five times what he was earning in the Netherlands. Nobody cares that it was the Dutch team that give him his chance. Can't blame the riders for going where the money is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 I don't see the problem. If a young Aussie football player joins a team in the Netherlands and progresses well, he is going to join a Premier League team who will pay him about five times what he was earning in the Netherlands. Nobody cares that it was the Dutch team that give him his chance. Can't blame the riders for going where the money is. Yes but the Dutch team gets a transfer fee. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanF Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Yes but the Dutch team gets a transfer fee. If he only had a one year contract it would be minimal at best. If we want an Aussie to stay for 5 years then give him a 5 year guaranteed contract. Loyalty is a two way street. If Matt Ford thinks it would make Poole stronger (not picking on Poole, applies to every team) he wouldn't hesitate to drop Brady Kurtz and he would not get paid any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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