OveFundinFan Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 I really don't get why people are getting their knickers in a twist over what Poland are doing. It's nothing new. BSPA had similar policies not all that long ago that all riders had to prioritise British Speedway over other leagues. Including foreign riders own leagues. British Speedway is no longer in a position to make those demands on top riders but Poland is. It is what it is. Doesnt mean promoters cant react to it. Probably otheer countries did when Britin did it to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 I really don't get why people are getting their knickers in a twist over what Poland are doing. It's nothing new. BSPA had similar policies not all that long ago that all riders had to prioritise British Speedway over other leagues. Including foreign riders own leagues. British Speedway is no longer in a position to make those demands on top riders but Poland is. It is what it is. Sorry mate that is a defeatist attitude we should not let the Poles or any other nation walk all over us , we need to stand and tell them it's not on . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 Sorry mate that is a defeatist attitude we should not let the Poles or any other nation walk all over us , we need to stand and tell them it's not on . Why's it defeatist. It's just power going in a cycle. Maybe in another decade Poland will go bust and riders will come back. Just let Poland do what they're doing. We can work on progressing on our own and start to stock pile British riders which will then in turn reverse the dominance. Then when Poland want our boys the BSPA can dictate to them again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 I think the issue here is fixtures being rearranged and them clashing with fixtures long since logged in other countries. Whichever country it us taking the mickey it's just not on. If Poland had logged these non Sunday matches first it would have been a different matter. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HertsRacer Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 I think the issue here is fixtures being rearranged and them clashing with fixtures long since logged in other countries. Whichever country it us taking the mickey it's just not on. If Poland had logged these non Sunday matches first it would have been a different matter. Think you've got it spot on. Polish, Swedish and Danish fixtures are usually announced before ours and on fixed days, so easy to work around to avoid clashes or to know when a rider will be unavailable. Its when the date of a fixture is changed for whatever reason or a practice session is suddenly called which then clashes with one of our fixtures that the problem starts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 Why's it defeatist. It's just power going in a cycle. Maybe in another decade Poland will go bust and riders will come back. Just let Poland do what they're doing. We can work on progressing on our own and start to stock pile British riders which will then in turn reverse the dominance. Then when Poland want our boys the BSPA can dictate to them again. The BSPA will not be able to dictate anything to Poland if they get their own way.We might produce some stars of our own in the future but there is a good chance that when they are all good enough they will sod off to Poland as well just look at Woffinden.There will not be a problem if they ride here as well the problem is that Poland want to dictate when and who they can ride for and want the right to pull a British contracted rider out of a pre arranged fixture at the drop of a hat for there rearranged fixture's and even for practice.How can a British club run a business when there top contracted riders can be pulled out of a league meeting at short notice the punters will soon get p/d off and stay away if this continues to happen.Just another nail in British speedways coffin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 When did the BSPA insist on foreign riders having the UK as top priority? Don't remember that? Anyway this is worse as it includes practice sessions. I can see Polish clubs pulling out riders for 'practice' when an important match is coming up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 It happened last year with Woz at Leicester. They said if he did not stop ridding for the Lions then they would stop his Polish contract. They the Poles where the ones who wanted him to come over here in the first place to get some track time over here and klearn to ride different tracks, then when it suited them they called him bac. But what they are now doing is taking things a stage more and making any riders in thier top leagues no matter what country, that when they shout you drop everything and go running. They know no rider will say otherwise as they are the ones paying the silly money to them. The day will come when they find that clubs are closing because they no longer have the funds to continue the powers that be can't just keep bailing the clubs out, we have already seen clubs not paying riders, would you keep going back again knowing you would not be getting paid week in week out, speedway riders must be a silly bunch, because it seems to happen to them on a regular basis and they still carry on racing for clubs that don't pay them. I know I wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 Perhaps one way to deal with this to set up agreements with the likes of Germany France, Italy Sweden and Denmark with rider exchanges, international meetings and a European league championship and exclude Poland, Polish riders and any rider who signs up to a Polish club on the current terms would be bringing the sport into disrepute in the aforementioned countries. If the Poles want supremacy at any cost then they can be supreme albeit all alone with their national riders frozen out of every other speedway league and no internationals, etc. The only stage the riders would appear on are the GPS and the European Championship. No World Cup which in reality should not be held every year any way. It cocks up the domestic league campaign and is just a distraction unless you are a Pole. Other then the above or some other action, if you leave everything as it is the fans will become pretty peed off when being short changed because a team cannot put out a full home side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 I've changed my opinion since yesterday having sat and thought on it. Devil and the blue sea for Jack. He's seen his arse but it's tough I'm afraid, because at this moment in time he needs Britain more than he does Poland. Hasn't yet made the step over the stone. Had all British clubs stuck together with this, Australian speedway would be commencing a pretty rapid death. The fact is they need this country. They need it for a racing licence and they need it to live in. Personally the more I think about this, I'd probably tell them to dissappear. Danny king is sat waiting for a British top flight club, Chris Holder is spitting his dummy out because Britain is standing up for itself. That really doesn't sit well with me. Chris Holder, why you don't you dissappear from the UK, get yourself sorted with a property in Poland, and Danny king can have your place at KL. It's only fair isn't it, if your so pissed at the English authorities? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 Give it 2-3 years and the Polish aim to track only Poles in their top league will make everyone rethink their priorities!! The question for British speedway then is will it be able to afford any of the top riders 'slinking back' or will it give the British clubs the nap hand in only paying what they can afford - take it or leave it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 Give it 2-3 years and the Polish aim to track only Poles in their top league will make everyone rethink their priorities!! The question for British speedway then is will it be able to afford any of the top riders 'slinking back' or will it give the British clubs the nap hand in only paying what they can afford - take it or leave it. The latter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 Give it 2-3 years and the Polish aim to track only Poles in their top league will make everyone rethink their priorities!! The question for British speedway then is will it be able to afford any of the top riders 'slinking back' or will it give the British clubs the nap hand in only paying what they can afford - take it or leave it. Arn't we doing that now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Flicking through a few posts on here, a few things need clearing up as some are looking at it wrong or based on old facts. PAY Yes Poland has had many many problems in the past with wages not being paid, but that is something they have dealt with especially in the top level and clubs have to pay in a substantial amount at the start to ensure this never happens again. With the big TV deal now in place, big sponsors and vast media interest there these tracks can't afford to lose their licence and if so many riders were owned money in the past, how come they go back year after year. With these big money investments now in Polish Speedway, they do have practice days where they are all expected to turn up but remember that these can also be attended by media and sponsors so they are quite important to these clubs Britain and Sweden at present have far more clubs owing money than Poland where it is now lower level clubs and they are coming into line or risk being shut down. RETHINK British Speedway wanted to rebuild this season and certainly needed to as it was known last year that Poland had plans to restrict riders being involved with other leagues and this is going to be even tighter next season by all accounts so they do their home nation or one other league alongside their Polish clubs so Swedes and Danes will have to decide on Britain or Poland. If this is the case, will Doyle and Holder opt to ditch Sweden rather than Britain next season, well that depends if they can relocate and get Poland to apply for their visas but do they want their kids educated in Poland rather than England ? This season Britain really needed to seriously rebuild and develop new stars and by doing that you would have to say there is no places for any Grand Prix riders like Doyle, Holder and Lindgren. That is a bit harsh on Freddie who has always been loyal to Britain and Wolverhampton for over a decade but it needs riders available every Friday and Saturday and in doing so you have seen the last of the big money riders that Britain can't really afford. Any Australian or Visa required riders should only be allowed if they are committing to Britain, something Doyle and Holder couldn't do as they have bigger contracts in Poland and Sweden and in 2018 those will be the only leagues they will be allowed to ride in any way going by Polands plan to reduce riders to just two leagues next season. This season should have been a year to rebuild and ride in one big league as teams would have been Premier League 2016 strengths and therefor not have cost clubs like Redcar, Scunthorpe or Workington any more than they had been paying out and would have had the benefit of a more varied fixture list and got the chance to see the likes of Harris, Nicholls, Andersen etc in action just once at their local tracks which would have been a meeting you didn't want to miss. Let's get 2017 done, learn by the plus sides of the changes made and how to build one league in 2018 which will likley be without a few more riders that have to drop England to stay active in Seeden or Denmark alongside Poland. Edited March 19, 2017 by INCOGNITO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) I agree with the points relating to no GP riders for 2018, but I hate the idea of a single big league, this really knocks out any professional element that's left in UK Speedway.. We need a division 1 and 2, because this give the team's something to ride for.. Otherwise teams have nothing to aspire to or defend against, meetings would lose the competitive edge, as racing would have nothing riding on it, other than finishing top.. With 2 leagues, team's aspire to win the best league in the country, and team's fight to stay in the top division, other teams will battle against relegation, likewise division 2 teams want to compete in the top league, and will fight to do this.. One big league has been tried before, it didn't work then, and it won't work now.. Edited because my phone thinks it knows what I want to write, and it doesn't!!!!!!! Edited March 19, 2017 by Shale Searcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 I agree with the points relating to no GP riders for 2018, but I hate the idea of a single big league, this really knocks out any professional element that's left in UK Speedway.. We need a division 1 and 2, because this give the team's something to ride for.. Otherwise teams have nothing to aspire to or defend against, meetings would lose the competitive edge, as racing would have nothing riding on it, other than finishing top.. With 2 leagues, team's aspire to win the best league in the country, and team's fight to stay in the top division, other teams will battle against relegation, likewise division 2 teams want to compete in the top league, and will fight to do this.. One big league has been tried before, it didn't work then, and it won't work now.. Edited because my phone thinks it knows what I want to write, and it doesn't!!!!!!! What have they got to aspire to here over the last twenty years or so ? Teams have not wanted to move up or go down and clubs like Ipswich, Lakeside, Peterborough etc have switched when they wanted without having to aspire or win anything. No team has been relegated, they just choose to drop down and this season we are not seeing two clubs move up, we are seeing the other six come down to their standard. Plus you would have two divisions in the National League and hopefully a league running alongside just for juniors to develop into NL teams by running after meeting team events like they did in the 80's over six heats using four riders per team. Be they British, Australian or from Mexico, if they get to a standard where they opt to ride in just Sweden and Poland then fine, hold the door open and let them go but until then build a product that hopefully one day is again the place riders want to be based in even if it is their second choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Bribing sods! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MARK246 Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 INCOGNITO the Swindon Robins were relegated at the end of the 1992 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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