Popular Post mac101 Posted March 15, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) Holder tweeted All English clubs complaining about Poland... I bet if they were offered 10x more for the same job they wouldn't be... Let him go and stay in Poland if he wants to chase the money and give one of the Brit riders that's not got a team this year his place Edited March 15, 2017 by mac101 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Holder tweeted All English clubs complaining about Poland... I bet if they were offered 10x more for the same job they wouldn't be... Then ALL Aussies can start their careers in Poland... Learn the lingo... Let their Polish team sort their visas... Not get paid the full whack season in season out, its easy to offer 10 times the going rate when you have no way (or indeed inclination) of ever paying it... Oh hang on, they won't get offered the chance will they as hundreds of Polish kids will want that opportunity to progress... Well done Matt Ford... 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Potter 2 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 I agree with Ford's stand. However, it is much easier to do it with a rider like Jack Holder, who may not even get a ride in Poland and who is likely, at this point in his career, to earn far more in the UK, than it would be, for example, with Chris Holder, who is likely to ride fir his team in every Polish fixture and earn considerably more there. Again, at the moment, Chris is a much bigger draw card here than Jack and much more difficult to replace. If we are going to make a stand I think we should have agreed it before team building began and not signed riders who were going to be affected by the Polish restriction nor any Polish riders. If they pay him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Then ALL Aussies can start their careers in Poland... Learn the lingo... Let their Polish team sort their visas... Not get paid the full whack season in season out, its easy to offer 10 times the going rate when you have no way (or indeed inclination) of ever paying it... Oh hang on, they won't get offered the chance will they as hundreds of Polish kids will want that opportunity to progress... Well done Matt Ford... If as you claim, the Poles continually fail to pay the full amount to the non Polish riders, can you explain why the likes of Chris Holder, Doyle, Woffinden, Lindgren,Pedersen, Iversen, etc. keep returning there? It's not as if the same stories of riders experiencing problems getting fully paid by their UK promotions are unknown and I'm sure you being a Belle Vue fan, will be aware of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) If as you claim, the Poles continually fail to pay the full amount to the non Polish riders, can you explain why the likes of Chris Holder, Doyle, Woffinden, Lindgren,Pedersen, Iversen, etc. keep returning there? It's not as if the same stories of riders experiencing problems getting fully paid by their UK promotions are unknown and I'm sure you being a Belle Vue fan, will be aware of this Three reasons maybe..? One, the riders you mention are all top riders so maybe their presence in the team is more vital so they do get paid up and lesser riders lose out accordingly to fund it? Or two.. Just like in many countries, they don't get paid everything they are owed but getting £400k out of a £500k contract is still considerably more than they could get over here? And three, again like in other countries, that £100k missing would often be promised to be added on to the following seasons money so maybe that also keeps them tied in? Bottom line is, Poland don't give any non Poles a career kick start but then cherry pick the ones they feel are up to the standards they want... How many Aussies would have made it to the highest level without the NL and 2nd Tier grounding and experience so many have received riding four or more times a week over here?. Some will have ridden more competitive laps in a month over here than they would do in a whole season back in Oz.. If Poland's money is so good. Let them go and ride over there from the start of their career and then their place in Britain can be taken by a young British lad.. Edited March 16, 2017 by mikebv 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master 88 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) Let him go and stay in Poland if he wants to chase the money and give one of the Brit riders that's not got a team this year his place Danny king could take his place and both sponsored by trucks r us all good. And the other Aussies can follow. Edited March 16, 2017 by The Master 88 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Maybe instead of pouring money into foreign riders, how about investing it in British youngsters and infrastructure / social media? British riders improve on the world stage, the sport gets promoted to a wider audience encouraging yet more sponsors = more money No, lets bring over another Aussie / scandinavian for short term glory and then moan when they bugger off. And they wonder why riders go elsewhere..... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 I can't think of a brit who could replace him at number 1 for panthers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 If the ex-British Champ TW cant be bothered racing in the UK, what is it that makes UK attractive to non-uk riders. Could it be its a good training ground, but more then that, and certainly with the Aussies, it gets them the paperwork they need to ride not only in the uk but europe as well. British speedway is at its low (hopefully no lower to go) so lets start rebuilding by using british youngsters first, and if any genuine gaps then can be filled appropriately as needed. I like Hatei Zagar as a rider, but glad dropped by BV this year if only on cost alone, though I know Fri night speedway is not good for GP riders ie practice day 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 the aussie riders have to be carefull they dont dig their own graves,matt said if british clubs didnt bring young aussies over anymore speedway in austraila would be finished in a few yrs,he sort implied that if the polish situation got worse(he thought next yr the rules would apply to all polish leagues)he wouldnt be bringing any more young aussies over,they need british speedway more than we need them 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 What will happen to Aussie riders after Brexit? presumably UK visa won't necessarily allow free access to Poland...or will it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Hats off to Matt Ford, the likes of Chris Holder and co who are berating British speedway promoters and fans on Twitter should realise where their wealth and careers have emanated from. Lets see just how many young Aussies start their careers by living and riding in Poland when they first leave their native shores. Good luck to the riders who decide to take the money option on the way up in their careers, because you just don't know who you will need once you start coming down off of that pedestal. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 What will happen to Aussie riders after Brexit? presumably UK visa won't necessarily allow free access to Poland...or will it?I doubt they would have an issue getting a visa for Poland regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 British speedway owes a great debt of gratitude to Australian riders who have been the mainstay of our history in league racing and should always be welcomed to this country. If the situation now exists that Poland want to bring in their own rules for the top league then so be it and we will have to abide - it was always going to happen when originally suggested more than 5 years ago. Our domestic leagues are still the largest in Europe and with deminishing riders available we now need to see promoters energy and money invested in junior racing and stop looking for the quick fix from overseas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 getting a visa for poland might be the least of their problems,language,accommodation,air fares,vans,workshops,sponsors,travelling half way round the world and not getting a ride,remember they cant ride in polish team as a reserve,if riding not getting paid!didnt havvy say recently hes owed money by every polish club he ever rode for.doesnt affect chris holder etc young aussies want to be carefull what they wish for 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Jack Holder gave the thumbs down on Twitter so he's not best pleased Get rid, end of. Holder tweeted All English clubs complaining about Poland... I bet if they were offered 10x more for the same job they wouldn't be... see above fair play to Matt Ford, the BSPA should be putting a statement out stating no paperwork will be signed to agree to the Polish demands. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Hats off to Matt Ford, the likes of Chris Holder and co who are berating British speedway promoters and fans on Twitter should realise where their wealth and careers have emanated from. Lets see just how many young Aussies start their careers by living and riding in Poland when they first leave their native shores. Good luck to the riders who decide to take the money option on the way up in their careers, because you just don't know who you will need once you start coming down off of that pedestal. Exactly! British speedway owes a great debt of gratitude to Australian riders who have been the mainstay of our history in league racing and should always be welcomed to this country. If the situation now exists that Poland want to bring in their own rules for the top league then so be it and we will have to abide - it was always going to happen when originally suggested more than 5 years ago. Our domestic leagues are still the largest in Europe and with deminishing riders available we now need to see promoters energy and money invested in junior racing and stop looking for the quick fix from overseas. There is now more junior racing than ever before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) Time to get tough with the Australians.To late for the ones that are major stars but the likes of young Holder etc should be made to choose if you want to ride in Britain then we come first and you ride in all our pre arranged fixtures.This should be in the contract they sign if they don't agree to this then they don't ride here full stop. As for any future Australians.N/Z and USA riders that want a chance here(which they won be given in Poland)they should have to sign a contract that says that for say 8 years ? you are tied to British speedway which over this period Britain come's first and that we have priority with pre arranged fixtures over any other countrys league.Its the only way that British promoters can protect themselves and justify the money they will have spent on bringing them over and nurturing them for the first year/years.As it stands now Britain is the only country that is willing to give them a start so if they are not willing to commit to Britain for a few years then they don't deserve the chance we give them and don't deserve to be here so let them try to get a start elsewhere. The Poles started it so we need some way to fight back perhaps this could be a start.We need to get tough and look after our own interests first if our leagues are to survive. Edited March 16, 2017 by B.V 72 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 I like Hatei Zagar as a rider, Is she any good? On a more serious note the Poles really have bullied the rest of Europe with their demands. The likes of Chris and Iversen as example would probably have no choice but to be dictated to by them however the next generation like Jack need to think hard and fast about which is best for them at this stage of their career. The amount of racing and experience he will get in Britain this year far outweighs any chance he may be given in 2017. Once he is experienced enough he can make his own decisions about what is best for his career. It's a shame ALL the European clubs didn't stick together on this and refuse to sign. Now they do actually run all of Europe's leagues. It's downhill from here because THEY make the rules we all have to follow. Fair play to MF this time, whether it's going to cause a rift between him and young Jack tho is to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 another thing riders need to take into consideration is that Polish speedway is still going through a boom time, history tells us this will not last forever! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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