No Loyality To British Riders

[OveFundinFan]

Well done Matt Ford, pity if others have caved in and signed.

[foamfence]

The sensible thing would be for the authorities from each league to get together and determine an order of priority for riders in the even of clashes. Given there is no agreement it seems reasonable for Poland to draw a line in the sand.

 

Rather than getting stroppy about it, the BSPA should put together their own counter proposal, based on similar regulation to which are already applicable to the British leagues,

 

You can't really blame Poland, as the dominant league, for stepping into the vacuum and trying to protect their teams.

You can blame Poland! At this rate they will be the only professional Speedway country left! They already have three GPs and the top league but greed has gotten hold of them.

[1 valve]

so many Brits only have one (and want/need another). No excuse for that.

yes there is...they are not good enough.

If teams were to be built on nationality more than available skill fans would soon start complaining.

Feeder leagues and training programs is the answer to developing better UK riders as opposed to giving them jobs over better existing talent.

[foamfence]

yes there is...they are not good enough.

If teams were to be built on nationality more than available skill fans would soon start complaining.

Feeder leagues and training programs is the answer to developing better UK riders as opposed to giving them jobs over better existing talent.

So Sedgmen is better than King is he?

Or Fricke is better than King? Well not if he's in Poland practising or whatever.

[GWC]

Well done Matt Ford, pity if others have caved in and signed.

If you build your team with imports then you have to abide by the rules the country of origin promote.

Quite agree that Aussies should not be subject to this rule but as non EU residence then it's the power

of the work permit and twit for tat as to who is the biggest employer - Poland pays the most so the rider won't offend his employer.

Will he get paid is the question.

Edited March 15, 2017 by GWC

[HenryW]

The sensible thing would be for the authorities from each league to get together and determine an order of priority for riders in the even of clashes. Given there is no agreement it seems reasonable for Poland to draw a line in the sand.

There was an FIM backed agreement in place until this year. The Polish Extraliga authorities have decided they no longer like that agreement and so have decided to bin it.

 

It's hard to criticise them for asking riders to put their matches first when they are paying the most.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

You can blame Poland! At this rate they will be the only professional Speedway country left! They already have three GPs and the top league but greed has gotten hold of them.

Poland are not doing anything wrong with this , the only wrong part is it is to the detriment of british speedway , the poles are protecting the future of polish speedway and its fans ,if the boot was on the other foot we would all be praising the bspa, we however don't prioritize our own riders and even with the Coventry situation the fact that a brit hasn't a team place and some foreigners have 2 is shambolic Edited March 15, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[Bagpuss]

To me it's pretty simple you have a date by which all countries have to have their league's fixtures declared by. If there are any alterations after this time then tough luck on the club who can't use a rider because he has always been committed to being elsewhere as per the declaration date. If any rider kicks off because he can't get his own way then the FIM ban him.

[foamfence]

Poland are not doing anything wrong with this , the only wrong part is it is to the detriment of british speedway , the poles are protecting the future of polish speedway and its fans ,if the boot was on the other foot we would all be praising the bspa, we however don't prioritize our own riders and even with the Coventry situation the fact that a brit hasn't a team place and some foreigners have 2 is shambolic

Well as you're a lover of all things Polish I might have expected that. The fact is that the boot isn't on the other foot and it seems that they wont be happy until the other foot has been rendered totally ineffective. At the rate they are going theirs will be the only professional league. What next, even more GPs to add to their current 3? You're right though, they haven't done anything wrong...on paper anyway.

[The Master 88]

I have said it before and no doubt will say it again, If Poland has 3 British riders in there league we only have 3 polish riders in ours, and so on all over, So many British riders could use the double up now, which would give them a second income to reinvest in there equipment, yet we have so many Aussies again, Premier division 3 overseas riders only, Championship division 2 overseas riders National league division no overseas riders. I am so feed up with helping every tom dick and chris to get where they are now, and pushing the British boys back, Chris holder is giving large on Twitter, yet look at all his British sponsors, don't make any sense.

Edited March 16, 2017 by The Master 88

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

Well as you're a lover of all things Polish I might have expected that. The fact is that the boot isn't on the other foot and it seems that they wont be happy until the other foot has been rendered totally ineffective. At the rate they are going theirs will be the only professional league. What next, even more GPs to add to their current 3? You're right though, they haven't done anything wrong...on paper anyway.

I do love polish speedway cause as a product it is bang on , yes it has financial issues but that is not caused by a lack of fans or sponsors , they have both in large amounts and the PZN is doing what it felt is necercary to protect its product but my heart will always be in British speedway and god knows I've tried to put ideas forward and given my time to help ,as I've said the polish product (excluding finance ) is something we need to look up to and if you think about it all they are trying to achieve is what every other sports team in the world is doing already ,1 person 1 club is that such a bad thing ? Edited March 16, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[foamfence]

I do love polish speedway cause as a product it is bang on , yes it has financial issues but that is not caused by a lack of fans or sponsors , they have both in large amounts and the PZN is doing what it felt is necercary to protect its product but my heart will always be in British speedway and god knows I've tried to put ideas forward and given my time to help ,as I've said the polish product (excluding finance ) is something we need to look up to and if you think about it all they are trying to achieve is what every other sports team in the world is doing already ,1 person 1 club is that such a bad thing ?

It is when we are producing that 'person'. I said in another post that overseas riders coming here to work their way up should be expected to commit to prioritising British racing for a number of years, I hope such a contract comes in, meanwhile Poland will carry on cherry-picking the big names that we have produced. One person one club is a good thing, in the 50s and beyond, that's what we had and we are now producing more junior riders than ever before, so hopefully we might get back to that. I just hope that the BSPA show some metal in how they react to this.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

It is when we are producing that 'person'. I said in another post that overseas riders coming here to work their way up should be expected to commit to prioritising British racing for a number of years, I hope such a contract comes in, meanwhile Poland will carry on cherry-picking the big names that we have produced. One person one club is a good thing, in the 50s and beyond, that's what we had and we are now producing more junior riders than ever before, so hopefully we might get back to that. I just hope that the BSPA show some metal in how they react to this.

I agree with all that , there is one name in particular I could think of who we trained up , bent the rules to keep him at reserve in his first year and then he went on to be a star and then all but shafted British speedway and he is british

[foamfence]

I agree with all that , there is one name in particular I could think of who we trained up , bent the rules to keep him at reserve in his first year and then he went on to be a star and then all but shafted British speedway and he is british

Well sort of

[Shale Searcher]

I do love polish speedway cause as a product it is bang on , yes it has financial issues but that is not caused by a lack of fans or sponsors , they have both in large amounts and the PZN is doing what it felt is necercary to protect its product but my heart will always be in British speedway and god knows I've tried to put ideas forward and given my time to help ,as I've said the polish product (excluding finance ) is something we need to look up to and if you think about it all they are trying to achieve is what every other sports team in the world is doing already ,1 person 1 club is that such a bad thing ?

 

If Poland pays its riders so well, why do they need to protect it??

 

Riders will choose Poland on the basis of the pay they can get...

 

Or is there another reason that we don't know of yet?

 

Pay bubble bursting, maybe late payments, and riders would choose to drop Poland because of payment issues, now can't quit, no, not quit, but choose a British fixture over a Polish fixture, even if they don't get paid on time.....

[OveFundinFan]

Interesting thought, shale searcher, there in your last sentence.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

If Poland pays its riders so well, why do they need to protect it??

 

Riders will choose Poland on the basis of the pay they can get...

 

Or is there another reason that we don't know of yet?

 

Pay bubble bursting, maybe late payments, and riders would choose to drop Poland because of payment issues, now can't quit, no, not quit, but choose a British fixture over a Polish fixture, even if they don't get paid on time.....

they are trying to pay wage instead of points like football and they don't want riders to miss matches or even team practice ,that's what they are trying to protect , poland money issues are caused by where the money goes out not where it comes in like Britain, the money some of the stars in Poland get is staggering and that's even before they have turned a wheel , how would you feel if you were a promotors or a sponsor and you paid half a million over 2 year contract to a rider and then he missed a match to ride for someone else Edited March 16, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[Shale Searcher]

they are trying to pay wage instead of points like football and they don't want riders to miss matches or even team practice ,that's what they are trying to protect , poland money issues are caused by where the money goes out not where it comes in like Britain, the money some of the stars in Poland get is staggering and that's even before they have turned a wheel , how would you feel if you were a promotors or a sponsor and you paid half a million over 2 year contract to a rider and then he missed a match to ride for someone else

 

Because it shouldn't matter how much money is involved, wether it's £100 or £100,000 a contract is a contract..

 

Speedway globally needs to get to the point when there's more riders than clubs, not the other way round.. And riding for one team only is the norm....

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

Because it shouldn't matter how much money is involved, wether it's £100 or £100,000 a contract is a contract....

that's what the PZN is trying to do , you sign a contract and you honour that contract but if your riding elsewhere and miss.a match your not honouring the contract , as I said the PZN is doing nothing wrong they are just looking out for their product and fans , the only downside is for us in Britain but we are not their problem, if British speedway was king and we imposed this we wouldn't care less what the poles thought , because they are tough about things like this they don't get top matches where a team consists of 5 guests and R/R which had happened here a couple of times here last season and wasn't because of injury Edited March 16, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[teaboy279]

The whole Polish thing will have initial negative effects on the British league but could do do all club speedway a favour long term.

I believe 1 rider 1 club is the way to go in all top flight speedway. That way we can have a true "champions league" which is not a load of "select" sides as happens now in international club events.

One night speedway is a must (at least for the top 2 leagues in UK.) In my opinion.

We so much youth talent in the system (and to be fair to the bspa we do see a consistent degree backing these days) , provision needs to be made for more Brit team places in the upper leagues. At the moment the top NL boys struggle to step up and that stops even fresher talent getting in.

Even if there is a perceived opinion that we dilute the product in the short term, making more team places to brits in the long term can only strengthen British speedway.