thebaron Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) Reading the Star this week there is clear frustration amongst the riders over the demise of Coventry. This has impacted the on likes of Danny King; Lewis Kerr and James Sargeant. For me this has moved the goalposts (sorry Cov fans they've gone as well !) in terms of the Premiership team line-ups. Sargeant a British rider does not have a team place at all; while Kerr and King now only have a team place in the Championship. Surely this cannot be right; when the likes of Josh Bailey and Ellis Perks have THREE team slots this season across all THREE LEAGUES. ? With respect neither rider is of the standard of Lewis Kerr or James Sargeant just yet; so would it not be common sense for Kerr and Sargeant to come into the Premiership team of the two riders?. I know we want to push forward British talent (actually Perks is Australian) but neither are at Premiership standard (yet) so arguably the racing would be better if Kerr and Sargeant replaced Bailey and Perks ?. Sargeant at least would then have one team to ride for. We really are cutting our noses off to spite our face with this. There are a number of very capable riders who will start the season on the sidelines through no fault of their own. Surely there has to be a bit of fairness and consideration given where some riders have THREE TEAMS. No disrespect to the likes of Bailey and Perks who clearly have potential. But Kerr and Sargeant are definitely more on the pace in the Premier League for sure. Is it too late to look at the teams again?; it would not be the daftest thing the Speedway hierarchy had come up with by a long chaulk. Edited March 3, 2017 by the outsider 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Reading the Star this week there is clear frustration amongst the riders over the demise of Coventry. This has impacted the on likes of Danny King; Lewis Kerr and James Sargeant. For me this has moved the goalposts (sorry Cov fans they've gone as well !) in terms of the Premiership team line-ups. Sargeant a British rider does not have a team place at all; while Kerr and King now only have a team place in the Championship. Surely this cannot be right; when the likes of Josh Bailey and Ellis Perks have THREE team slots this season across all THREE LEAGUES. ? With respect neither rider is of the standard of Lewis Kerr or James Sargeant just yet; so would it not be common sense for Kerr and Sargeant to come into the Premiership team of the two riders?. I know we want to push forward British talent (actually Perks is Australian) but neither are at Premiership standard (yet) so arguably the racing would be better if Kerr and Sargeant replaced Bailey and Perks ?. Sargeant at least would then have one team to ride for. We really are cutting our noses off to spite our face with this. There are a number of very capable riders who will start the season on the sidelines through no fault of their own. Surely there has to be a bit of fairness and consideration given where some riders have THREE TEAMS. No disrespect to the likes of Bailey and Perks who clearly have potential. But Kerr and Sargeant are definitely more on the pace in the Premier League for sure. Is it too late to look at the teams again?; it would not be the daftest thing the Speedway hierarchy had come up with by a long chaulk. No not at all tbf its not the signed riders fault that Coventry have folded, to me to start dumping riders just because the Coventry ones have not got a ride is disgusting, even if these already signed riders have three teams it makes no difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC! Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) Maybe a better option to give the displaced 'Bees' first refusal on all available guest appearances Edited March 3, 2017 by JC! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestGorton1884 Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 I realize the circumstances behind it , but the fact a young British rider like James Sarjeant cant get a team spot anywhere in British speedway , makes a mockery of the sport . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iand Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Maybe a better option to give the displaced 'Bees' first refusal on all available guest appearancesNice idea, but would you give a ride to someone who hasn't ridden for a while, when ANother rider who is on top form knocking in the points for fun and is available . All clubs should be having that win at all costs mentality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Reading the Star this week there is clear frustration amongst the riders over the demise of Coventry. This has impacted the on likes of Danny King; Lewis Kerr and James Sargeant. For me this has moved the goalposts (sorry Cov fans they've gone as well !) in terms of the Premiership team line-ups. Sargeant a British rider does not have a team place at all; while Kerr and King now only have a team place in the Championship. Surely this cannot be right; when the likes of Josh Bailey and Ellis Perks have THREE team slots this season across all THREE LEAGUES. ? With respect neither rider is of the standard of Lewis Kerr or James Sargeant just yet; so would it not be common sense for Kerr and Sargeant to come into the Premiership team of the two riders?. I know we want to push forward British talent (actually Perks is Australian) but neither are at Premiership standard (yet) so arguably the racing would be better if Kerr and Sargeant replaced Bailey and Perks ?. Sargeant at least would then have one team to ride for. We really are cutting our noses off to spite our face with this. There are a number of very capable riders who will start the season on the sidelines through no fault of their own. Surely there has to be a bit of fairness and consideration given where some riders have THREE TEAMS. No disrespect to the likes of Bailey and Perks who clearly have potential. But Kerr and Sargeant are definitely more on the pace in the Premier League for sure. Is it too late to look at the teams again?; it would not be the daftest thing the Speedway hierarchy had come up with by a long chaulk. Perks is not an Australian. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 As I said before Sargeant should contact the Border Agency, they have the power to revoke work visas, where a suitable British Rider has priority over Johnny Foreigner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Within a month both Danny King and James Sargent will both be riding in the Premier League 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Reading the Star this week there is clear frustration amongst the riders over the demise of Coventry. This has impacted the on likes of Danny King; Lewis Kerr and James Sargeant. For me this has moved the goalposts (sorry Cov fans they've gone as well !) in terms of the Premiership team line-ups. Sargeant a British rider does not have a team place at all; while Kerr and King now only have a team place in the Championship. Surely this cannot be right; when the likes of Josh Bailey and Ellis Perks have THREE team slots this season across all THREE LEAGUES. ? With respect neither rider is of the standard of Lewis Kerr or James Sargeant just yet; so would it not be common sense for Kerr and Sargeant to come into the Premiership team of the two riders?. I know we want to push forward British talent (actually Perks is Australian) but neither are at Premiership standard (yet) so arguably the racing would be better if Kerr and Sargeant replaced Bailey and Perks ?. Sargeant at least would then have one team to ride for. We really are cutting our noses off to spite our face with this. There are a number of very capable riders who will start the season on the sidelines through no fault of their own. Surely there has to be a bit of fairness and consideration given where some riders have THREE TEAMS. No disrespect to the likes of Bailey and Perks who clearly have potential. But Kerr and Sargeant are definitely more on the pace in the Premier League for sure. Is it too late to look at the teams again?; it would not be the daftest thing the Speedway hierarchy had come up with by a long chaulk. Utter nonsense. How fair would it be on the rest of the league for King's Lynn to drop Bailey for Kerr or Rye House drop Perks for Sargeant? You really think that's fair just because Coventry folded. It'll make more of a mockery of British Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CookieIpswich Posted March 3, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Doubling up is the problem!! Trebleling up is even worse!! Same old **** again, just rebadged to paper over the gaping cracks 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianbuck Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) Couldn't agree more with the last poster. Doubling-up has done nothing at all for British Speedway - it has just created the shortage of riders that promoters are now griping about - yet instead of moving towards phasing it out altogether, the talk is always about extending it even more. No rider should be allowed to ride for more than one team - much less be allowed to ride for 3! Now we have this nonsensical situation of several riders having no team to ride for whilst others have two or even three! Edited March 3, 2017 by BBuck 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Whilst i certainly don't like what has happened to the Cov riders i don't agree with the point that all brits should get places over foreigners just because of nationality. The only way to make brit riders more attractive as signings is to reduce their averages at the end of each season but leave the overseas riders of the achieved / assessed ave's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Doubling up is the problem!! Trebleling up is even worse!! Same old **** again, just rebadged to paper over the gaping cracks The problem is foreigners being allowed to double up 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 The problem is foreigners being allowed to double up Exactly! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Couldn't agree more with the last poster. Doubling-up has done nothing at all for British Speedway - it has just created the shortage of riders that promoters are now griping about - yet instead of moving towards phasing it out altogether, the talk is always about extending it even more. No rider should be allowed to ride for more than one team - much less be allowed to ride for 3! Now we have this nonsensical situation of several riders having no team to ride for whilst others have two or even three! I remember speaking with Kyle Newman's Dad a few seasons ago when Kyle was really struggling in the EL. I said that he couldn't get much out of it but he totally disagreed, saying that the experience was hugely valuable. Any doubling up rider will gain that, be it from the NL to SGBC or SGBC to SGBP. For that reason, I think that doubling up is OK - after all, its been around for decades. I can recall Gary Peterson, for example, doubling up between Nelson & Wolverhampton in the 1960's. The problem is not doubling up, but the fact that it got completely out of hand. Should have been two riders at most and only then when all riders had been sorted for a team. It also should have been Brits only, if that was possible. Its rather ironic that Coventry riders are being named as being without a team or only one team yet they had no less than 4 doubling up riders while the likes of Stefan Nielsen and Joe Jacobs didn't have a team at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Whilst it's criminal that some British riders are left without a club at all, it would be the wrong thing to allow these riders to replace much lower standard riders because they have 3 clubs. What this will do will give an advantage to those clubs who have the riders mentioned and that cannot be right. Every season you get one or two riders missing out and this has become more apparent due to the poor handling of the Coventry situation. Chapman has at least admitted in this week's speedway star that they should have pulled Coventry back in November and whether this would have had an impact on those named riders missing out on team places is still very much open to discussion. One less team means 7 less places so someone would have missed out. The most criminal thing however is that these riders who are still developing and improving have no team places in the 2nd tier. This league if anything is more guilty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 The problem is foreigners being allowed to double up Sam Masters, Jack Holder, Bradley Wilson-Dean, and Josh Grajczonek are the only non EU riders doubling up, or have i missed someone ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Couldn't agree more with the last poster. Doubling-up has done nothing at all for British Speedway - it has just created the shortage of riders that promoters are now griping about - yet instead of moving towards phasing it out altogether, the talk is always about extending it even more. No rider should be allowed to ride for more than one team - much less be allowed to ride for 3! Now we have this nonsensical situation of several riders having no team to ride for whilst others have two or even three! If that did happen, british speedway would fold. Riders who only ride in the UK, cannot earn enough riding for just 1 team, sadly that is a fact of british speedway in the 21st century Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Riding for one team only would work if the sport changes, reduced costs for riders would be a start and new money coming into the sport if marketed properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 I realize the circumstances behind it , but the fact a young British rider like James Sarjeant cant get a team spot anywhere in British speedway , makes a mockery of the sport . No, what is making a mockery of the sport is that riders can have more than one team spot in the first place. In my opinion, this is the one thing above all others which has/will kill the sport in this county. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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