f-s-p Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Think it's four times that 12 points has been enough to win WC. Ermolenko won without a runoff even. If every rider finishes their heat in the traditional 20 heat formula, whats the lowest amount of points that can give you the win without a runoff? Anyone ever seen a meeting with 20 heats and a lower amount of points to win? I have 9 to win with 7 tied on 8 points for 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) Think it's four times that 12 points has been enough to win WC. Ermolenko won without a runoff even. If every rider finishes their heat in the traditional 20 heat formula, whats the lowest amount of points that can give you the win without a runoff? Anyone ever seen a meeting with 20 heats and a lower amount of points to win? I have 9 to win with 7 tied on 8 points for 2nd. He should never have won that particular World Final as in a particular race he was allowed to take part in the re-run despite not being 'under power' during the initial running of the heat. If I recall he caused the stoppage thru' a broken chain when a rider ran into the back of him...but, then again, Frank Ebden was the referee! Edited March 1, 2017 by steve roberts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Assuming no dropped points then eight. BUT it does require at least seven dead heats!!! (one rider on 8, 14 riders on 7 1/2 and one on 7). Without dropped points then 9 is correct. If dropped points are allowed then 3. (19 heats with no finishers and the winner of the 20th race becomes champion). Off the top of my head the lowest figure I could think of for a winner after 20 heats (ignore the subsequent races) is a three way tie on 10: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Speedway_Grand_Prix_of_Slovenia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 has there ever been a dead heat in an individual meet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) Dead heat as in no finishers? Edited March 1, 2017 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 ...an individual race ending in a dead heat (for 1st, 2nd or 3rd place (2.5, 1.5 or 0.5)). NB In league matches I have seen 2 dead heats , (1 for 1st place and 1 for 2nd place, never for 3rd) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 He should never have won that particular World Final as in a particular race he was allowed to take part in the re-run despite not being 'under power' during the initial running of the heat. If I recall he caused the stoppage thru' a broken chain when a rider ran into the back of him...but, then again, Frank Ebden was the referee! I was there, you are spot on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 ...an individual race ending in a dead heat (for 1st, 2nd or 3rd place (2.5, 1.5 or 0.5)). NB In league matches I have seen 2 dead heats , (1 for 1st place and 1 for 2nd place, never for 3rd) Thats what I thought... Last season or the season before there was a dead heat in ice speedway world championships meeting. In the past decade I feel tempted to say I've seen one other in track racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Think it's four times that 12 points has been enough to win WC. Ermolenko won without a runoff even. If every rider finishes their heat in the traditional 20 heat formula, whats the lowest amount of points that can give you the win without a runoff? Anyone ever seen a meeting with 20 heats and a lower amount of points to win? I have 9 to win with 7 tied on 8 points for 2nd. Unfortunately - and it disgusts me to say this, being the anorak I am - I can't remember the details, but I did see one a few weeks ago on the Speedway Researcher website. The winner scored 10 points!!! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 has there ever been a dead heat in an individual meet? I seem to recall no dead heats were allowed in FIM meetings .. could be wrong though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 could be in a domestic individual somewhere..though I don't recall it in my time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 I seem to recall no dead heats were allowed in FIM meetings .. could be wrong though Ice speedway gladiators world championship, Almaty 21st Feb 2016. Glanced the FIM appendices, no mention of Dead heats either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 If dropped points are allowed then 3. (19 heats with no finishers and the winner of the 20th race becomes champion). If we go this route is it not possible for the rider who won the heat to subsequently be disqualified from the meeting for some offence,so making the rider on 2 pts the winner?Or the rider on 2pts also kicked out of the meeting and the rider on 1 pt the winner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 If we go this route is it not possible for the rider who won the heat to subsequently be disqualified from the meeting for some offence,so making the rider on 2 pts the winner?Or the rider on 2pts also kicked out of the meeting and the rider on 1 pt the winner?So basically your saying that you could win a meeting with dddd0 or 00000 if everyone else have only letters on their score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 He should never have won that particular World Final as in a particular race he was allowed to take part in the re-run despite not being 'under power' during the initial running of the heat. If I recall he caused the stoppage thru' a broken chain when a rider ran into the back of him...but, then again, Frank Ebden was the referee! I was there, you are spot on If Ermolenko had been excluded in that race he could still have won his final heat to be champion. As it was he just pootled round at the back pulling wheelies because the title was already in the bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 it could be just 1/2 a point wins a meeting outright if no rider finished in 19 races, and the riders in the other race placed 1st, 2nd and joint 3rd were all subsequently disqualified, leaving one rider with a joint 3rd the only scorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 So basically your saying that you could win a meeting with dddd0 or 00000 if everyone else have only letters on their score. In theory i guess so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 it could be just 1/2 a point wins a meeting outright if no rider finished in 19 races, and the riders in the other race placed 1st, 2nd and joint 3rd were all subsequently disqualified, leaving one rider with a joint 3rd the only scorer.But since a zero is better than any letter, you could win with a NNNN0 if the 3 in front of you in your last ride are later disqualified? And all other riders rides are letters as well. What a stupid argument... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 But since a zero is better than any letter, you could win with a NNNN0 if the 3 in front of you in your last ride are later disqualified? And all other riders rides are letters as well. What a stupid argument... What i said.No idea why we have to go to half a point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 In theory i guess soI actually thought when I did the meeting that showed you could win with 9 that it could never happen. The link to the slovenian gp last year practically said anything can happen. I could make a bet that nobody will ever win with just one 0 from a meeting though... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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