iris123 Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 But it's not hard to make a judgment on what is happening at you local track. Wimbledon was one of mine - and I know that when I went in 1949 the attendances were far larger than those of the more recent 2002-05 Conference League era. Ah,but can you give me a year for year break down on how the attendances were from the 1970-1980 period? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) My OP merely posed a question as to what other BSF members with a more tolerant attitude think will happen in regard to 2017 speedway attendances. I did not say that I wanted comparison figures. I know full well that tracks do not and never issued official attendances. But it's not hard to make a judgment on what is happening at you local track. Wimbledon was one of mine - and I know that when I went in 1949 the attendances were far larger than those of the more recent 2002-05 Conference League era. Ah,but can you give me a year for year break down on how the attendances were from the 1970-1980 period? Why should I have records of attendances for any era of speedway? That's a rather nonsensical question to pose. Any opinions I have on attendances are based on what I saw at various periods - and the difference between the high attendances for 1949 and the CL period at Wimbledon are good enough for me. A difference of about 14,000 probably! Maybe we need a new version of this norbold thread that was introduced in YEARS GONE BY? It was one of my favourites when more active. The Sidney And Iris Thread Edited February 26, 2017 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket007 Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 I would hope and imagine that Rye House should see a significant increase to start the season with. There are some well known big names (Scotty, Bomber Eddy) on show, instead of average unknown foreigners, and new teams that the supporters haven't seen before visiting. Away support should also be better as teams like Poole, Swindon Belle Vue haven't been to Rye for a long time, and for many of their supporters it will be a new track. How long they can sustain any increase will be entirely down to how well they do. If they keep getting beat at home support will soon drop off, but if successful crowds should stay healthy. Also if all Stadium improvements have been carried out that will help as for the last 2-3 seasons the place has been a tip and not very enjoyable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Again, this forum is sadly lacking a thumbs down button. You would have just got one from me. Good point OFF, I agree. We could operate a 'yellow card' 'red card system', and write it. I think Iris deserves a YELLOW CARD and will send one as a reply to him/her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Why should I have records of attendances for any era of speedway? That's a rather nonsensical question to pose. Any opinions I have on attendances are based on what I saw at various periods - and the difference between the high attendances for 1949 and the CL period at Wimbledon are good enough for me. A difference of about 14,000 probably! Yes i see your point.Rather like me being able to see the difference between Borussia Dortmunds game when all the stadium was open and the other one when the stand holding 26,000 people was closed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Some people have friends who will pick them up,take them to a meeting and drop them off back home again.Now why am i not surprised you don't fall into that category YELLOW CARD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 My OP merely posed a question as to what other BSF members with a more tolerant attitude think will happen in regard to 2017 speedway attendances. I did not say that I wanted comparison figures. You were asking what people think the trend will be.But do we have conclusive evidence of the crowds for the last 3 years to judge them?And will we get facts for this years attendances to compare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Good point OFF, I agree. We could operate a 'yellow card' 'red card system', and write it. I think Iris deserves a YELLOW CARD and will send one as a reply to him/her. Great system...I like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 You were asking what people think the trend will be.But do we have conclusive evidence of the crowds for the last 3 years to judge them?And will we get facts for this years attendances to compare? Probably not - but there is no harm in conjecture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) Great system...I like it! Absolutely.Never had a red card yet,but gustix has recieved quite a few over the years i think Probably not - but there is no harm in conjecture. Ok as a Belle Vue fan do you know how the move to a new stadium affected the crowd?Up,down or same?Genuine question mind And my thoughts on the "no harm in conjecture" i that gustix has for a long time been predicting the end of speedway and often uses any sort of negative conjecture to spread his negativity onto other threads by pointing out someone on another thread thought the crowds were dropping etc.....that is how he works all a bit lively for a lazy sunday afternoon,i must say Edited February 26, 2017 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef robin Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 If my local club Swindon build new stadium crowds will increase if not will decrease. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 The loss of Coventry is a massive blow to British Speedway. Coventry fans are some of, if not the best away followers in the league. They now have to be replaced. As the club with the biggest fan base the average attendance in 2017 is going to be down. I can see Rye House being the biggest winners from Coventrys demise as a few Bees fans will go to Rye on a Saturday to see probably the two most popular Bees of the last 10-15 years and Robbo is well liked too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 The track nearest to my home closed after its Easter 1940 meetings. The other nearest is at least 30 miles away and involves several changes en route as I need public transport. And night travel returning home means going through some not particularly nice parts of 'scarf' London. And also sadly I do not have a magic flying armchair! Has Lakeside moved John ? That's only 20 odd miles from where you and i are. And i think its a bit odd to say any journey to and from Rye House would mean going through not particularly nice parts of South London - where you live isnt exactly Hampstead is it. Get out there and see what london in 2017 is like, even if its not to the speedway at Rye. The older generation in London seem hell bent on demonising certain areas and people here.. so sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) Absolutely.Never had a red card yet,but gustix has recieved quite a few over the years i think Ok as a Belle Vue fan do you know how the move to a new stadium affected the crowd?Up,down or same?Genuine question mind And my thoughts on the "no harm in conjecture" i that gustix has for a long time been predicting the end of speedway and often uses any sort of negative conjecture to spread his negativity onto other threads by pointing out someone on another thread thought the crowds were dropping etc.....that is how he works all a bit lively for a lazy sunday afternoon,i must say At a rough guess, gates doubled for Aces meetings. Colts were pulling in 5-600, which was about two thirds of what the senior team got at Kirky Lane. The difference between the two stadiums can't be under estimated and while Kirky Lane wasn't as bad a track as some have said the new one is world class. Gates can be increased. Its about three things : advertising, product and attitude. Make sure people know about it, give them a good time and treat them well. Isle of Wight did it superbly it 2016 and there's no reason why everyone else can't do the same. Edited February 26, 2017 by Halifaxtiger 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 I think Wolves and Leicester will get a few Bees fans to boost their crowds. I will certainly be going around Midlands tracks this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 how many midlands tracks are there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 I think Wolves and Leicester will get a few Bees fans to boost their crowds. I will certainly be going around Midlands tracks this year. I'm sure that this will be the case to an extent but fans tend to drift away form the sport after their track closes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 I'm sure that this will be the case to an extent but fans tend to drift away form the sport after their track closes. ................... and once they have gone it is bloody difficult to get them back. :sad: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman72 Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Speedway has spent too much time courting pay to view TV and had their pockets emptied by some very slick PR companies. Unfortunately they (all of us lol) took our eye off the ball. Joe Public is the most important element in speedway and we need to attract him/her to meetings and at £18+ per fixture that is just not going to happen. Sitting back and expecting new supporters pay such an astronomical amount is delusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Speedway has spent too much time courting pay to view TV and had their pockets emptied by some very slick PR companies. Unfortunately they (all of us lol) took our eye off the ball. Joe Public is the most important element in speedway and we need to attract him/her to meetings and at £18+ per fixture that is just not going to happen. Sitting back and expecting new supporters pay such an astronomical amount is delusion. You make a very fair point. The problem is that you have to cover your expenses. Any Promoter must first of all cover his costs. With so few people attending Speedway these days I don't understand how they can reduce prices. Stadium Rental (in some cases)., Rider Payments, Staff Payments, First Aid, Ambulances etc.. All of these things and more have to be paid before the Promoter makes a penny. It is also rumoured that many Tracks are actually losing money. If that is true - then how can you ask Promoters to reduce Prices and, very probably, lose even more money. Much as I would like it - I do not think that is a feasible way to solve the problem of getting more folk through the Gate. I don't even pretend to have the answers, but to me, reducing Prices in the current Financial climate would be committing Financial suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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