Shale Searcher Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Is the start of a speedway not part and parcel of the attraction I for one don't want the tapes replaced with some high tech equipment . I understand that people don't want riders gaining unfair advantage but IMO the Ref should be able to cope with this .We now overall have riders sitting still at the start and the rules are far more strict than when I first started watching s/way in the 70's( I am old and loved tape touching but accept the modern rules ) we still need the tension that you see once that green light goes on and how riders react under that enormous pressure . What needs addressing post haste IMO is the time wasting and continued trips to the pits after false starts etc , unless there is good reason the pit gates should stay closed and if fuel is a issue larger tanks should be fitted . 99% if now not 100% of riders only have "Half Tanks" even mine had a half tank!! Weight saving I believe..... I agree with keeping the tapes, they are integral to the start procedure, don't want lasers/lazers, transponder ok for race times though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Maybe tracks should simply use the 'startgate' idea as in horse or greyhound racing?! 4 gates keeping the riders seperate and a mechanical hare to start them off. It wouldn't then be in the referee's hands to stop it. Riders could then try to anticipate the hare to get a jump start as part of their 'skillset', if they thought it possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Id like to see a random timer on tape release - would stop riders knowing how a particular ref lets them go. Set say between 1 and 5 seconds... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Id like to see a random timer on tape release - would stop riders knowing how a particular ref lets them go. Set say between 1 and 5 seconds... After the green light, waiting nearly 5 seconds would put a nice smell in the air......................................burnt clutches!!!!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) Maybe tracks should simply use the 'startgate' idea as in horse or greyhound racing?! 4 gates keeping the riders seperate and a mechanical hare to start them off. It wouldn't then be in the referee's hands to stop it. Riders could then try to anticipate the hare to get a jump start as part of their 'skillset', if they thought it possible. I think you've got the making of something here... Replace the "Hare" with a "Brown" envelope, you would have to get rid of the "Brown" envelope rail, and you could replace this with a scaled down RC model of a "Sponsored" van, this would be operated by the meeting time keeper/incident recorder... No need to partition off the gates, just fit the riders helmets with horse racing style "Blinkers" but designed to be flicked off by the riders once the tapes have gone up, motorised versions will be allowed, as long as manufactured by Briggo, and bear the name "Briggo" that have a minimum purchase price of £650 for the device, and £350 for a pack of 15 "Briggo" roll off blinkers.. Strictly no other brand, or fake "Briggo" roll off blinkers allowed, to prevent fraud and fakery, MC examiners will examine ALL "Briggo" roll off blinkers before every heat, any rider found to be using or attempting to use fakes will immediately be fined £1,000 which must be paid directly to "Briggo" corporation within 10 minutes by online banking or PayPal. That just about covers it!!! Edited February 19, 2017 by Shale Searcher 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Maybe tracks should simply use the 'startgate' idea as in horse or greyhound racing?! 4 gates keeping the riders seperate and a mechanical hare to start them off. It wouldn't then be in the referee's hands to stop it. Riders could then try to anticipate the hare to get a jump start as part of their 'skillset', if they thought it possible. just have dog traps, but bigger of course,,, the ref wouldn't be able to see, or imagine anyone moving and just think of the noise inside one of them cans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Used to hear of riders getting to know the quirks of certain referees and were able to anticipate the starts (even making a note of each referee's system for future reference) Some riders would count One, Two, Three and drop the clutch. Some would drop the clutch as soon as the Green light came on etc...apparently some referees were very predictable! Ivan Mauger was one who springs to mind for keeping records of a Referee's tactics. Apparently he had it down to a fine art. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Used to hear of riders getting to know the quirks of certain referees and were able to anticipate the starts (even making a note of each referee's system for future reference) Some riders would count One, Two, Three and drop the clutch. Some would drop the clutch as soon as the Green light came on etc...apparently some referees were very predictable! That was Ivan Mauger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 After the green light, waiting nearly 5 seconds would put a nice smell in the air......................................burnt clutches!!!!!!! upto (insert your own suitable number) seconds then 😛The random principle is the important part of the initial suggestion 😨 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 After the green light, waiting nearly 5 seconds would put a nice smell in the air......................................burnt clutches!!!!!!! Frank Ebden must have been on the button! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Originally, I was lead to believe, that once the green light came on, the ref had a 7 second window, but could only let the tapes go between 3 and 7 seconds..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Hearing that there will be a 1 to 3 second window from green light to tape release. Also blatant rollers to be punished with 15m handicap the same as it touching the tapes. Could be some interesting decisions.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Id like to see a random timer on tape release - would stop riders knowing how a particular ref lets them go. Set say between 1 and 5 seconds... Yep something like that would stop riders trying to anticipate the start. Then if you break the tapes you are out and no replacement. That would stop all shenanigans.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Hearing that there will be a 1 to 3 second window from green light to tape release. Also blatant rollers to be punished with 15m handicap the same as it touching the tapes. Could be some interesting decisions.... Could be some very controversial decisions. The problem with 1-3 seconds is that it will increase anticipated starts as i believe its 1-7 seconds at the moment? However if the refs are strong and are prepared to put the green light on / let the tapes go when they choose it might finally reduce the amount of blinking gardening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) Could be some very controversial decisions. The problem with 1-3 seconds is that it will increase anticipated starts as i believe its 1-7 seconds at the moment? You do, try counting them. I mentioned about the amount of gardening nowadays and got torn to pieces.. Funny that. Edited March 23, 2017 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Try allowing movement at the Start in a couple of pre season friendlies, just to see how it works nowadays. Pre season friendlies? They're football matches, aren't they? Perhaps you mean Challenge Matches, which is what we have in speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KN1 Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Yep something like that would stop riders trying to anticipate the start. Then if you break the tapes you are out and no replacement. That would stop all shenanigans.. Your using that word "anticipate " again, if a rider does not anticipate the start what does he do? Guess when the tapes go up. Name of the Game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) Your using that word "anticipate " again, if a rider does not anticipate the start what does he do? Guess when the tapes go up. Name of the Game. Then if thats the case he runs the risk of being thrown out. Understand what you are saying, but the list of riders trying to do this is getting longer and longer.. Edited March 23, 2017 by Starman2006 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Yep something like that would stop riders trying to anticipate the start. Then if you break the tapes you are out and no replacement. That would stop all shenanigans..it would also cheat the public of 4 riders in a race speedway is far enough as it is no easy solution ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 it would also cheat the public of 4 riders in a race speedway is far enough as it is no easy solution ? Then what do you suggest einstien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.