Hamish McRaker Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 This isn't a frivolous one! Sam Masters, Australian and average 8.97 has a team place in each league. Richard Lawson, British and average 8.22, has one team place but isn't fixed up with one in the Premiership. Is it time for Wolverhampton to now do the decent thing and give the Brit a job? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 All English riders ie) Lawson,R.Worrall,Bridger should all be fixed up before foreigners come in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 This isn't a frivolous one! Sam Masters, Australian and average 8.97 has a team place in each league. Richard Lawson, British and average 8.22, has one team place but isn't fixed up with one in the Premiership. Is it time for Wolverhampton to now do the decent thing and give the Brit a job? If every other club were made to do the same then yes. Masters is miles ahead of Lawson so would be an unfair disadvantage. Aussies give much more respect to our leagues so even more reason to say it's beyond grossly unfair. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheese Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 If every other club were made to do the same then yes. Masters is miles ahead of Lawson so would be an unfair disadvantage. Aussies give much more respect to our leagues so even more reason to say it's beyond grossly unfair. Â Agreed.. Lawson also has the same average as Kenneth Bjerre but again there is no comparison between them. If they were at the same level then it would be a fair question to ask why it was the foreign rider who was preferred but in this case it's obvious and the right thing to do. Â Is it a shame for the likes of him and Richie Worrall that they don't have Premiership places? Of course, but at the same time they do still have places in the Championship and are likely gain a Premiership spot not too long into the season. The one to feel sorry for, assuming he's not at Belle Vue, is Stefan Nielsen who looks set to miss out in all 3 leagues and I would say that is wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Masters, with a fair wind and a lot of luck could be the next big thing for Australia. Â Lawson is the next Les Collins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 If every other club were made to do the same then yes. Masters is miles ahead of Lawson so would be an unfair disadvantage. Aussies give much more respect to our leagues so even more reason to say it's beyond grossly unfair. It's also grossly unfair Aussies get better looked after than British riders do in British speedway. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 It's also grossly unfair Aussies get better looked after than British riders do in British speedway. It isn't unfair, Masters is a much better rider than Lawson, why would you want an inferior rider in your team, fans want to see their team win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) Masters, with a fair wind and a lot of luck could be the next big thing for Australia. Â Lawson is the next Les Collins. Â I think Lawson would probably settle for being second best in the world. Edited February 15, 2017 by Aces51 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Masters, with a fair wind and a lot of luck could be the next big thing for Australia. Â Lawson is the next Les Collins. Â Â Noooo waaaaaaaaay!!! Les Collins only missed out on being a world champion!! And the field Inc PC, KC, BP!! What's Lawson done on the world championship trail?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 This isn't a frivolous one! Sam Masters, Australian and average 8.97 has a team place in each league. Richard Lawson, British and average 8.22, has one team place but isn't fixed up with one in the Premiership. Is it time for Wolverhampton to now do the decent thing and give the Brit a job? Â It may not be frivolous but it is, if you'll permit me, a little short-sighted from the point of view of Wolverhampton "doing the decent thing". Masters was a pivotal part of last season's title-winning team and clearly enjoyed a breakthrough season, form which (for what it's worth) he has subsequently underlined in the Australian championship. He would surely have been regarded by pretty well any speedway fan as a nailed-on Wolf for 2017, assuming him not to be in the plans of his parent club. Lawson, who I think is a fine rider and a top bloke (and I think the same of his dad), is not yet at that level. I seem to recall he had a Monmore season at No.8 back in the day and while that was perhaps 12 months too early for him, I'd be more than happy to see him return at some time to the black and gold. But there's no way that, for this season, I'd take him over Masters. As far as "give the Brit a job" goes, you will doubtless have noted that there are three in there already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 I prefer the Masters it's the Green jacket that does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) It isn't unfair, Masters is a much better rider than Lawson, why would you want an inferior rider in your team, fans want to see their team win. Maybe British riders would be a lot better if they got the Aussie deals but seeing they don't then it's unfair to judge Lawson with masters. Edited February 15, 2017 by robert72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Maybe British riders would be a lot better if they got the Aussie deals but seeing they don't then it's unfair to judge Lawson with masters.i know for a fact that the top brit in the world Tai Woffinden was on a very good deal last season.Masters is a better rider than Lawson so why wouldn't he be used ahead of him???? The one that annoys people is things like Adam Ellis moved on to have a young Aussie who so far hasn't shown he is better than Ellis. Comparing Masters and Lawson is like asking Poole fans if they preferred Holder or Chris Harris??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Maybe need to wait and see who Belle Vue name until Lawson's situation can be properly known. Same with Steffan Neilsen although it's unlikely to happen. The Neilsen situation is a right shocker, didn't realise he's completely without a team place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Â I think Lawson would probably settle for being second best in the world. Â Â Noooo waaaaaaaaay!!! Les Collins only missed out on being a world champion!! And the field Inc PC, KC, BP!! What's Lawson done on the world championship trail?? I was using the Les Collins analogy as someone who would earn a good living from the sport at his level. I forgot about his world champ runner up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 It's also grossly unfair Aussies get better looked after than British riders do in British speedway. Â like who? British speedway really looked after Watt last year, not. Â Maybe British riders would be a lot better if they got the Aussie deals but seeing they don't then it's unfair to judge Lawson with masters. Just what are the Aussie deals? Can you provide a contract comparison as back up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Â Agreed.. Lawson also has the same average as Kenneth Bjerre but again there is no comparison between them. If they were at the same level then it would be a fair question to ask why it was the foreign rider who was preferred but in this case it's obvious and the right thing to do. Â Is it a shame for the likes of him and Richie Worrall that they don't have Premiership places? Of course, but at the same time they do still have places in the Championship and are likely gain a Premiership spot not too long into the season. The one to feel sorry for, assuming he's not at Belle Vue, is Stefan Nielsen who looks set to miss out in all 3 leagues and I would say that is wrong. Â Massively wrong that Stefan has been left out of all leagues & lord only knows why Swindon made him an asset unless they were going to use him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 like who? British speedway really looked after Watt last year, not. Â Â Just what are the Aussie deals? Can you provide a contract comparison as back up? Watt had loads of chances last season, plus hire vans paid for , good signing on fees at two elite clubs, excellent start money,A Brit wouldn't get the same as watt last season. Â I could but I won't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Masters, with a fair wind and a lot of luck could be the next big thing for Australia. Â Lawson is the next Les Collins. Les was a brilliant racer whereas Lawson is no more than a good rider and boring to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) Masters, with a fair wind and a lot of luck could be the next big thing for Australia.  Lawson is the next Les Collins. Best Test-Icicles post on here in a long timeSam Masters could do a Jason Doyle in the next few years. Will he who knows but IMO he's a level or two above Lawson Junior When Dickie the Gater can miss the gate at any track,in every race he starts,and entertain by racing hard but fair can he be mentioned in the same company as Les Collins Let's face it it ain't gonna happen   I was using the Les Collins analogy as someone who would earn a good living from the sport at his level. I forgot about his world champ runner up Which means I owe you an apology because as soon as I read you're initial post I respondedLeft my initial post unedited Edited February 15, 2017 by Triple.H. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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