CookieIpswich Posted February 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) I think the bspa have tried to make an effort for this year but have done it the wrong way, the rebranding of the sport won't solve problems, I can wrap a turd in shiny foil but it wont turn a turd into fudge. Two things should have been addressed Technical regulations to make it cheaper No doubling up Just look at Coventry Edited February 18, 2017 by CookieIpswich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 Two things should have been addressed Technical regulations to make it cheaper No doubling up Just look at Coventry Technical regulations and doubling up are not the reasons behind Coventry's plight. That said I don't disagree that the cost base needs addressing and although rebranding does not address that particular issue it does allow for a fresh start and the points limit and acceptance that for nowUK speedway cannot afford to have many big (expensive) star riders does. This year is the first time for a long time the promoters appear to have grasped the concept that doing the same thing only brings the same results and given those results are not good results (a continually declining sport) something has had to change....2017 rules and rebranding? its a start but not the end of the changes, hopefully not even the end of the beginning and more changes will follow to build on a improving situation. A case of evolution rather than revolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 I think the bspa have tried to make an effort for this year but have done it the wrong way, the rebranding of the sport won't solve problems, I can wrap a turd in shiny foil but it wont turn a turd into fudge. Two things should have been addressed Technical regulations to make it cheaper No doubling up Just look at Coventry There aren't enough riders to stop doubling up and there probably never will be when so many National League opportunities have been filled by old crocks. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 There aren't enough riders to stop doubling up and there probably never will be when so many National League opportunities have been filled by old crocks. "Old Crocks" well, I believe that every national league team should have one riding "Old Crock" Just to help the youngsters progress, teach set ups, maintenance, team riding, and other skills that are easier to pass on by participation. Let's replace the word "Youngsters" with seriously new to Speedway" participants, because not everyone who wants to give Speedway a proper go, will be a kid.. Might be someone crossing over from other motorsport... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 "Old Crocks" well, I believe that every national league team should have one riding "Old Crock" Just to help the youngsters progress, teach set ups, maintenance, team riding, and other skills that are easier to pass on by participation. Let's replace the word "Youngsters" with seriously new to Speedway" participants, because not everyone who wants to give Speedway a proper go, will be a kid.. Might be someone crossing over from other motorsport... I agree with that and my understanding of things was that originally a rider/coach was acceptable. Looking at some line-ups now, it's difficult to see which riders are meant to be the recipients of the coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one of clubs Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 When I hear comments from people at work about the cost of watching live Speedway and from reading comments on here, I am incensed at what I hear and read. When people ask me how much admission is at BV and other tracks they are astounded. I ask them why?, how much do/would you pay to watch say City/United whoever. Forty or fifty quid they say. Then they go silent. A number of years ago (probably eight years ago) I secured a seat to watch my beloved Liverpool play City at the Etihad and it cost me £45, I felt ripped off as the match flew by before my eyes. I steadfastly believe that admission to watch Speedway is very cheap. If you want your club to survive, you have to pay for it. On the subject of SS my guess is the viewing figures are around the 100k mark. A number of years ago a very knowledgeable fan friend of mine told me that every Elite League track pays the Russells 20% of the income they receive in advertising, which when considered that the income from advertising will be quite small 20% is a huge chunk to take, for not a lot of work. The only people making money in Speedway are the Russells. Speedway will be the better without them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 There aren't enough riders to stop doubling up and there probably never will be when so many National League opportunities have been filled by old crocks. Of course there are. A number of years ago a very knowledgeable fan friend of mine told me that every Elite League track pays the Russells 20% of the income they receive in advertising, which when considered that the income from advertising will be quite small 20% is a huge chunk to take, for not a lot of work. The only people making money in Speedway are the Russells. Speedway will be the better without them. That's not entirely correct. Terry Russell's company take 20% of the Sky money which comes into the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisperer Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Of course there are. That's not entirely correct. Terry Russell's company take 20% of the Sky money which comes into the sport. Which is the Finders Fee that any BSPA member/Associate will be paid for bringing incremental revenue into the sport. On more than one occasion GoSpeed have offered to reduce their fee in return for extended agreements, if one of clubs thinks the sport is better off without the Russells then just wait until they roll out their next "successful business man" as the new marketing guru who still refers to Riders as Drivers. You're in for a treat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Which is the Finders Fee that any BSPA member/Associate will be paid for bringing incremental revenue into the sport. On more than one occasion GoSpeed have offered to reduce their fee in return for extended agreements, if one of clubs thinks the sport is better off without the Russells then just wait until they roll out their next "successful business man" as the new marketing guru who still refers to Riders as Drivers. You're in for a treat! I was told that they refer to them as "drivers" due to legal issues of using the term "riders" doesn't apply to engined vehicles.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 I'm sure we will soon get the first fixtures live on Sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 The 3 leagues have an imbalance in quality.. Primarily, the top leagues is under strengthed, the 2nd league is over strengthed, and the 3rd league is over strengthed. This only really happens in Speedway, I think because the 2nd division wants to have its cake, and eat it.... It wants the top riders, but not the baggage and costs that running in the top league has..... The 3rd league, is primarily a feeder/development league, or it should be, instead, it's full of riders that should be in the 2nd league, but, would rather be big fish, in little pond, and this strangles progression.. As for the top league, well we know it's been weakened over the last ten years, but even this league has riders in it that rely on the 2nd league to make their money up.. I think next year, doubling up/down/sideways needs banning.. and until the BSPA have the bottle and forthrightness to do this, it won't improve.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 The 3 leagues have an imbalance in quality.. Primarily, the top leagues is under strengthed, the 2nd league is over strengthed, and the 3rd league is over strengthed. This only really happens in Speedway, I think because the 2nd division wants to have its cake, and eat it.... It wants the top riders, but not the baggage and costs that running in the top league has..... The 3rd league, is primarily a feeder/development league, or it should be, instead, it's full of riders that should be in the 2nd league, but, would rather be big fish, in little pond, and this strangles progression.. As for the top league, well we know it's been weakened over the last ten years, but even this league has riders in it that rely on the 2nd league to make their money up.. I think next year, doubling up/down/sideways needs banning.. and until the BSPA have the bottle and forthrightness to do this, it won't improve.... I think the best chance of it happening will be when several lame duck clubs have finally popped their clogs and the top two leagues become one. I think the new situation with rider averages is already allowing for that. Making a long term career out of being a NL rider shouldn't be an option, apart from one rider/coach per team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 The 3rd league, is primarily a feeder/development league, or it should be, instead, it's full of riders that should be in the 2nd league, but, would rather be big fish, in little pond, and this strangles progression.. As for the top league, well we know it's been weakened over the last ten years, but even this league has riders in it that rely on the 2nd league to make their money up.. I think next year, doubling up/down/sideways needs banning.. and until the BSPA have the bottle and forthrightness to do this, it won't improve.... On the first quoted paragraph, there are also teams in this category.......Birmingham being a perfect example.......they should be forced to move up into the Championship at least (imo). Your second paragraph I am in total agreement with. This is making an indefensible mockery of the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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