teaboy279 Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Still don't get the cost issue, I can't think of mamy/if any days or evenings out more affordable then speedway? What's more this will be my 6 year old daughters 3rd full season, so no only is it a cheap evening out. It is also a safe family environment for children to play between races. Domestic stock car meetings start at around 15 quid an adult, 20 quid plus if f1stox are racing. And the banger world final ticket price is 35 quid yet foxhall stadium locks people out. The f1 stox world championship charges around 50 quid for a ticket in the stand. Another good comparison is Non League Football, national league speedway is very similar priced. Unlike many sports Speedway allows children in for free, so to say it's to expensive is rediculous. I live to my means and due to poor health and hospital stays recently I have not worked since November, but not spending 15 quid every Monday to watch the kings is unthinkable. In 4 seasons I have missed 3 home meetings, twice for clashes with SWC semi at Lynn and once for a holiday (the meeting missed was the brit U21 semi) Getting new people to go is tough ( much the same with banger racing) but when new folk come (if you are good with the programme and can answer your friends questions concisely) they fall in love with the sport and bring thier own families too. Last year I introduced 3 families to Speedway, 2 of them attended many meetings after thier first. The other family's youngest child did not like the noise but they have said they will try again this year. Clubs really should do more with sending out FREE tickets to lcoal schools and clubs etc. But most promoters are too old and shortsighted. Need Barry Bishop, Martin Widman, and Connor Dugard to show the dinosaurs how to run speedway and to attract new fans and sponsors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Still don't get the cost issue, I can't think of mamy/if any days or evenings out more affordable then speedway? What's more this will be my 6 year old daughters 3rd full season, so no only is it a cheap evening out. It is also a safe family environment for children to play between races. Domestic stock car meetings start at around 15 quid an adult, 20 quid plus if f1stox are racing. And the banger world final ticket price is 35 quid yet foxhall stadium locks people out. The f1 stox world championship charges around 50 quid for a ticket in the stand. Another good comparison is Non League Football, national league speedway is very similar priced. Unlike many sports Speedway allows children in for free, so to say it's to expensive is rediculous. I live to my means and due to poor health and hospital stays recently I have not worked since November, but not spending 15 quid every Monday to watch the kings is unthinkable. In 4 seasons I have missed 3 home meetings, twice for clashes with SWC semi at Lynn and once for a holiday (the meeting missed was the brit U21 semi) Getting new people to go is tough ( much the same with banger racing) but when new folk come (if you are good with the programme and can answer your friends questions concisely) they fall in love with the sport and bring thier own families too. Last year I introduced 3 families to Speedway, 2 of them attended many meetings after thier first. The other family's youngest child did not like the noise but they have said they will try again this year. Clubs really should do more with sending out FREE tickets to lcoal schools and clubs etc. But most promoters are too old and shortsighted. Need Barry Bishop, Martin Widman, and Connor Dugard to show the dinosaurs how to run speedway and to attract new fans and sponsors. Promoting the sport at schools has been tried many times, at Odsal they would bring a busload of kids each week and show them the pits and the bikes and let them sit in the stand. The crowds gradually declined to a level where parading riders would embarrassingly wave to lone individuals dotted around the terracing. A big problem these days is that too many tracks can't be accessed by public transport or on foot and most of them are situated in dilapidated stadiums with third world facilities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Wrong about you perhaps, but not the thousands of others. Whenever I talk (preach!) to people about speedway, either those who went years ago or who know about it but have never been, they are flabbergasted with the price. I believe that is speedway's primary problem. 100% agree. Somerset's prices have gone up again this year, which is understandable in the sense that we've gone up a league - but probably underlines how overpriced the original Premier League has been for quite some years across the whole league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef robin Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Can remember in my cabbying days in windon majority of customers thought speed way too expensive.12 quid seems a fairer cost especially with the ever weakening lineups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Regionalised leagues 6 riders teams 13 heat format Every team to have a 4 riders junior team Less riders to pay, less heats, more local derbies so in hope, the best possible crowd figures North - 12 teams South - 12 teams 11 home fixtures league 11 away fixtures league Regional league cup 4 groups of 3 Minimun of 2 home 2 away fixture more if teams progress British Cup where all teams enter potential for more meetings Make the bikes more basic and standard in terms of tuning etc Should then be ok to make it a £12 sport kids free At least 30 meetings for riders to earn across 3 competitions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Food for thought on the cost argument. Manchester is not one of the more affluent areas of the country and yet it seemed to me that last season there were always more adults in the grandstand, paying £20, than in the south and west stands, paying £17. There may be all sorts of possible reasons but it is difficult to get away from the fact that if cost is a major reason in keeping people from attending, either because of affordability or value for money, then you would expect that the vast majority of people would have been in the cheaper stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Promoting the sport at schools has been tried many times, at Odsal they would bring a busload of kids each week and show them the pits and the bikes and let them sit in the stand. The crowds gradually declined to a level where parading riders would embarrassingly wave to lone individuals dotted around the terracing. A big problem these days is that too many tracks can't be accessed by public transport or on foot and most of them are situated in dilapidated stadiums with third world facilities. Agree, at Swindon there is no public transport for youngsters to get home from the stadium after the meeting. When I started going to speedway many youngsters had old cars they used for getting them and their mates around, these days they are too expensive to insure and run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 I'm amazed at the comment that none speedway people are flabbergasted at the price to attend. Yet I assume they are more than happy to pay nearly double to watch football!!! The fact is as you were corrected before speedway IS as expensive as a number of league football matches in the uk, Supporting a weak dying sport at £17/£18 then a programme to follow the meeting at £3 it's Clear with the low crowds now that the price puts a lot of fans off and the sport is dying a slow death because the promoters have nobody clever enough to make it popular again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 I'm clever enough but buster won't call me - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 I would much rather watch a match on Sky than attend. I get commentary, a dozen angles, close up pictures, slow motion replays, rider and manager interviews... and it's included in my subscription. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 I would much rather watch a match on Sky than attend. I get commentary, a dozen angles, close up pictures, slow motion replays, rider and manager interviews... and it's included in my subscription. But no atmosphere at all, and if we all took that attitude there would be no speedway to watch . 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 I guess dwindling attendances mean theres no atmosphere really anyway plus you don't get the commentary 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 I would much rather watch a match on Sky than attend. I get commentary, a dozen angles, close up pictures, slow motion replays, rider and manager interviews... and it's included in my subscription. on a speedway forum thats a wind up post of "shovler" proportions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) You get 90 minutes entertainment at a football match, you get 15 minutes at a speedway meeting. Football doesn't need to attract fans, it could do more to make itself cheaper for people wishing to attend though. Speedway is too expensive and in need of more fans to physically attend meetings but unsurprisingly the cost puts many off. Manchester United and all PL teams could let supporters in FOR NOTHING - the actual gate receipts for football at that level are a tiny proportion of the income for a football club. The income for PL football is generated by TV and sponsorship deals where the vast amount of it goes into the pockets of the players and agents. So to try and draw any comparison between Speedway and Football is hopeless on that basis. But look at it this way; if its £50 to sit and watch a PL football match for 90mins that you should actually probably have paid £10-15 quid for (see my point above) then it would then compare to £15 for 15mins of Speedway. Then you might argue that Football is better 'value for money'. But even then I would say 15mins of action around the EWR Scunthorpe knocks 90mins of Manchester United 0 Hull City 0 into a 'cocked hat everyday of the week. Edited February 9, 2017 by the outsider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 The fact is as you were corrected before speedway IS as expensive as a number of league football matches in the uk, Corrected before? What are you on about as per usual. You have the quote to prove? ? Of course only the top few leagues throughout the country charge way more than speedway and as they are the most popular leagues isn't that the obvious comparison. You could take all leagues and do an attendance V cost analysis to come up with an average to suit that argument. That isn't the point im making. The bigger leagues in England and Scotland get the bigger attendances at much greater costs than speedway because people are happy to pay way more for that product. at wolves most weeks they have 6 extra races after the main match either MDL or regular junior open so that's 21 heats not 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relic Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Just having an Anorak moment in reply to post 15 by GRW123 I fully agree with your description of Neil Street but I think that he did not invent the 4 valve engine. I my memory serves me right I think that you will find the 1932 Rudge speedway engine has 4 valves. Sorry to be off topic. All the best Relic 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 So how about meetings start earlier All teams have junior teams which will replace the national league, all 4 rider teams. They race over a 6 heat format before the meeting so 3 rides each then the main sides meet over 13 heats but 6 riders teams. The top junior team rider acts as the substitute rider for any injuries or exclusions during the regular meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Didn't Lakeside get 7000 in to the stadium one night when they did a 'freebie'? How many of those paid full price the meeting after? I suggest admission price does make a big difference when deciding what to spend your 'leisure time disposable income' on... And charging circa £40 (or more), for a family of four (without the obligatory food and drink) is asking a lot if you expect many to take you up on that deal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Manchester United and all PL teams could let supporters in FOR NOTHING - the actual gate receipts for football at that level are a tiny proportion of the income for a football club. The income for PL football is generated by TV and sponsorship deals where the vast amount of it goes into the pockets of the players and agents. So to try and draw any comparison between Speedway and Football is hopeless on that basis. But look at it this way; if its £50 to sit and watch a PL football match for 90mins that you should actually probably have paid £10-15 quid for (see my point above) then it would then compare to £15 for 15mins of Speedway. Then you might argue that Football is better 'value for money'. But even then I would say 15mins of action around the EWR Scunthorpe knocks 90mins of Manchester United 0 Hull City 0 into a 'cocked hat everyday of the week. Also add on the time the ball is out of play ie throw inns, corners, free kicks etc and even with added on time games are well short of said 90 minutes. Only in sports like ice hockey where the clock stops when there are stoppages do you actually get the full game time. Given that the only time you don't get the full quota at speedway is if the meeting is cut short by a curfew or rain. Edited February 9, 2017 by bellevueace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Didn't Lakeside get 7000 in to the stadium one night when they did a 'freebie'? How many of those paid full price the meeting after? I suggest admission price does make a big difference when deciding what to spend your 'leisure time disposable income' on... Anecdotal evidence suggested that a large portion of that crowd was in fact fans from other clubs who went as a one off because it was free. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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