Team Manager's Job

[Bigballs]

Is it the Team managers job, to make sure that his riders are paid their wages?

[racers and royals]

Is it the Team managers job, to make sure that his riders are paid their wages?

No-that`s too hard a job for a team Manager who is not a promoter as well !!!!!!

[Lord Skid]

Recently it's more than likely to be the Small Claims Court, or more than likely the Big Claims Court, but there's a big queue waiting to get sorted out.

[foamfence]

Is it the Team managers job, to make sure that his riders are paid their wages?

No, his job is to make sure they turn up and do their best for the team, to learn how each rider can best be motivated and to have a good working knowledge of the rule book.

[Bigballs]

How do you motivate a rider that's not getting paid (tell him some porky pies)

[foamfence]

How do you motivate a rider that's not getting paid (tell him some porky pies)

You don't, that's when you are in trouble.

[Tsunami]

The official procedure is for the captain of the team to sign the official sheet that says the riders are being paid. If that sheet was not signed because of non payment, that should trigger off the need for explanations why they are not being paid.

The Team Manager is the link between the riders and the promotion, and is there to run the team to produce a satisfactory performance on the track.

[Lord Skid]

So who was the Leicester and Belle Vue Captains last year? Did they sign to say all was OK?

[stevehone]

there comes a point where you don't want to cut your nose off to spite your face

[Gunner85]

The official procedure is for the captain of the team to sign the official sheet that says the riders are being paid. If that sheet was not signed because of non payment, that should trigger off the need for explanations why they are not being paid.

The Team Manager is the link between the riders and the promotion, and is there to run the team to produce a satisfactory performance on the track.

You are quite right regards the procedure which has been in place for many years.

 

Even so , there are examples throughout the last few decades where the form has been signed in the knowledge that monies were owed.

[Tsunami]

You are quite right regards the procedure which has been in place for many years.

 

Even so , there are examples throughout the last few decades where the form has been signed in the knowledge that monies were owed.

Quite agree. Often there is an agreement when there is a problem so the sheet is signed. Just think if you are having home meetings rained off, but still riding the away meetings. You have no income but large outgoings. You can make an agreement to say catch up paying one meeting extra each week until you catch up. It just needs a bit of trust. In another case, if you have a foreign rider in say U19 or U21 and doing well. In the agreement with the DMU you have to pay the rider a fixed sum for each round, even though they may have already returned home for a home meeting, very unfair. If that rider is very successful he has many rounds and the amount builds up. In that case you can continue to pay him his usual wages, but come to an agreement to catch up by or at the end of the season. In this case the rider has often not paid out anything like the fixed payment he is entitled to, so there is no real hardship. Of course for all the deals you can do, there has to be complete trust between rider and promoter.

[balderdash&piffle]

Quite agree. Often there is an agreement when there is a problem so the sheet is signed. Just think if you are having home meetings rained off, but still riding the away meetings. You have no income but large outgoings. You can make an agreement to say catch up paying one meeting extra each week until you catch up. It just needs a bit of trust. In another case, if you have a foreign rider in say U19 or U21 and doing well. In the agreement with the DMU you have to pay the rider a fixed sum for each round, even though they may have already returned home for a home meeting, very unfair. If that rider is very successful he has many rounds and the amount builds up. In that case you can continue to pay him his usual wages, but come to an agreement to catch up by or at the end of the season. In this case the rider has often not paid out anything like the fixed payment he is entitled to, so there is no real hardship. Of course for all the deals you can do, there has to be complete trust between rider and promoter.

There was me thinking the Manager was a guy who turned up, arsed around for a couple of hours looking important, then got pissed in the bar afterwards.

[KevH]

There was me thinking the Manager was a guy who turned up, arsed around for a couple of hours looking important, then got pissed in the bar afterwards.

If you're a Swindon fan, you'd probably be right

[June01]

Quite agree. Often there is an agreement when there is a problem so the sheet is signed. Just think if you are having home meetings rained off, but still riding the away meetings. You have no income but large outgoings. You can make an agreement to say catch up paying one meeting extra each week until you catch up. It just needs a bit of trust. In another case, if you have a foreign rider in say U19 or U21 and doing well. In the agreement with the DMU you have to pay the rider a fixed sum for each round, even though they may have already returned home for a home meeting, very unfair. If that rider is very successful he has many rounds and the amount builds up. In that case you can continue to pay him his usual wages, but come to an agreement to catch up by or at the end of the season. In this case the rider has often not paid out anything like the fixed payment he is entitled to, so there is no real hardship. Of course for all the deals you can do, there has to be complete trust between rider and promoter.

I'm not sure I understand this fully. Are you saying a British team has to pay a Danish rider for his performance in (presumably World U21s or is it just the National Championships?) I shall probably have further questions depending on your answer to this, so be prepared.

[Shale Searcher]

I'm not sure I understand this fully. Are you saying a British team has to pay a Danish rider for his performance in (presumably World U21s or is it just the National Championships?) I shall probably have further questions depending on your answer to this, so be prepared.

 

I too would be interested in this answer,and would want further information, depending on the answer...

[Tsunami]

I'm not sure I understand this fully. Are you saying a British team has to pay a Danish rider for his performance in (presumably World U21s or is it just the National Championships?) I shall probably have further questions depending on your answer to this, so be prepared.

Yes. The DMU agreement allows for trip to home championships and rounds of the U21 an U19 Championships. It is for the travel and obviously the host club or organisation says for the point scoring. it was about £330 per trip a few years ago. The SVEMO agreement insists on their riders getting flights to a certain financial figure, say £5k. The DMA doesn't, but you have to pay for their returns home and World Championships rounds.

I'm not sure I understand this fully. Are you saying a British team has to pay a Danish rider for his performance in (presumably World U21s or is it just the National Championships?) I shall probably have further questions depending on your answer to this, so be prepared.

Yes. The DMU agreement allows for trip to home championships and rounds of the U21 an U19 Championships. It is for the travel and obviously the host club or organisation says for the point scoring. it was about £330 per trip a few years ago. The SVEMO agreement insists on their riders getting flights to a certain financial figure, say £5k. The DMA doesn't, but you have to pay for their returns home and World Championships rounds.

[June01]

Yes. The DMU agreement allows for trip to home championships and rounds of the U21 an U19 Championships. It is for the travel and obviously the host club or organisation says for the point scoring. it was about £330 per trip a few years ago. The SVEMO agreement insists on their riders getting flights to a certain financial figure, say £5k. The DMA doesn't, but you have to pay for their returns home and World Championships rounds.

Yes. The DMU agreement allows for trip to home championships and rounds of the U21 an U19 Championships. It is for the travel and obviously the host club or organisation says for the point scoring. it was about £330 per trip a few years ago. The SVEMO agreement insists on their riders getting flights to a certain financial figure, say £5k. The DMA doesn't, but you have to pay for their returns home and World Championships rounds.

Thanks for that, Tsunami. I knew about the SVEMO agreement, but not the DMU one. So what's in it for us? What do British riders get in return for these agreements?

[Star Lady]

Thanks for that, Tsunami. I knew about the SVEMO agreement, but not the DMU one. So what's in it for us? What do British riders get in return for these agreements?

Interesting question!!!

[Triple.H.]

Interesting question!!!

Nowt

Would be my answer

 

This financial agreement certainly shows up where British Speedway shoots itself in the foot

Many young Danes and Swedes may show potential but if they don't perform PDQ they should be out on there ear, even though the rules seem to make this hard IE RyeHouse with Peter Karger

[Tsunami]

Thanks for that, Tsunami. I knew about the SVEMO agreement, but not the DMU one. So what's in it for us? What do British riders get in return for these agreements?

The flight allowances that I mention are mandatory to get the riders services, and for the foreign authorities to issue an 'Permission to race's in our country.

Presumably British riders riding abroad would get similar allowances to ride in other countries. I obviously had a lot of experience of many Danes and 1 Swede riding for us, but never had a British rider who then rode in other countries. Hope that helps.