Mark Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 However last year we were asking for 3 good riders to replace the bottom end of the 2016 field. Exactly my point. The challenge is needed but this years Challenge will definitely weaken the 2018 GP series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 Exactly my point. The challenge is needed but this years Challenge will definitely weaken the 2018 GP series. Maybe it`s time for the bottom 8 from the GP to meet the top 8 in the challenge series- replacing the challenge final. Sadly the timing of the final GP round makes that proposal difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Always a danger with that sort of idea that we could end up with a few Lubos Tomiceks or dare i say it,a Niklas Säyriö or two It is though a problem if you do happen to get a great GP line up and you end up having to lose a couple of good riders.On the other hand you'll get people complaining that it is the same riders year after year You'll never please everyone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 TBF, the riders in the GP had I assume the option of going through the qualifying rounds. Id also say its fair to expect that the bottom 3 riders this tear (barring injury) wont have shown themselves to be in the top 15 riders in the world - alwys a hanful of riders who have a poor season, and others who have an unexpectedly good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 TBF, the riders in the GP had I assume the option of going through the qualifying rounds. Id also say its fair to expect that the bottom 3 riders this tear (barring injury) wont have shown themselves to be in the top 15 riders in the world - alwys a hanful of riders who have a poor season, and others who have an unexpectedly good one. Someone has to come bottom to 3rd bottom. Doesn't mean they are not in the best 15 riders. In an 8 man Olympic Final someone comes last despite being in the top 8 in the world. Top 5 might pull a little way clear but I would expect 5th to 15th to be pretty close with two GP's to run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Someone has to come bottom to 3rd bottom. Doesn't mean they are not in the best 15 riders. In an 8 man Olympic Final someone comes last despite being in the top 8 in the world. Top 5 might pull a little way clear but I would expect 5th to 15th to be pretty close with two GP's to run. Agree,and like many have said its hard to predict a race winner this year never mind the meeting winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Of those who still are in the qualifications for next season's SGP and does not currently ride in the SGP, I think Laguta and Milik are the only ones of real interest. However Laguta isn't that good starter and the smaller temporary tracks probably won't suite him especially well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Someone has to come bottom to 3rd bottom. Doesn't mean they are not in the best 15 riders. In an 8 man Olympic Final someone comes last despite being in the top 8 in the world. Top 5 might pull a little way clear but I would expect 5th to 15th to be pretty close with two GP's to run. understood, conceptually. However, so far this season there is no way you can argue that Lindback is the 15th best rider in the world. He's been awful i the GPS, and only 20th in the Swedish averages. No way imo you can argue he is better this season than say Prem Pawlicki or Kenny Bjerre. You could argue the same about Holder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 I think it's time to change things up and have the riders placed 9-15 in the GP's be joined by the riders placed 1-7 in the GP challenge final to be joined by 2 wildcards and the meeting is to be on the last weekend of March ready for the new season, the meeting has to be on a completely neutral track and the top 7 riders get into the current seasons GP. Obviously you would stop any current GP rider from entering the GP challenge as they will be in the final if they do not make the top 8. What do you think guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 With the final round being held in the end of October at Melbourne which pretty much is as far away you can get from Europe, I think it wouldn't work out with logistics and etc. Then I think some riders like Holder would normally stay in Australia and they would then be forced to go back to Europe and then back to Australia again. That would be a waste of money and also very environment unfriendly with riders + their equipment flying back and forth between Europe and Australia, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 With the final round being held in the end of October at Melbourne which pretty much is as far away you can get from Europe, I think it wouldn't work out with logistics and etc. Then I think some riders like Holder would normally stay in Australia and they would then be forced to go back to Europe and then back to Australia again. That would be a waste of money and also very environment unfriendly with riders + their equipment flying back and forth between Europe and Australia, I said that it would be in March because of that reason. GP challenge semis to be in August/Spetember with the final being in March Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Seems a reasonable suggestion, and worthy of serious consideration, but my only but would be...... Any proposal may not throw into the ring the best riders, my thought with this idea is that having a final qualifier right at the beginning of the season may mean some riders are not at their best due to lack of rides. I know all are "in the same boat" but some can adapt to the pace quicker then others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 I think it's time to change things up and have the riders placed 9-15 in the GP's be joined by the riders placed 1-7 in the GP challenge final to be joined by 2 wildcards and the meeting is to be on the last weekend of March ready for the new season, the meeting has to be on a completely neutral track and the top 7 riders get into the current seasons GP. Obviously you would stop any current GP rider from entering the GP challenge as they will be in the final if they do not make the top 8. What do you think guys. Anything that ensures the very best GP 15 is a good idea but this is badly flawed. Riders work on sponsorship through the winter for the GPs but this is impossible with your idea. You would be asking 15 riders to go into there biggest meeting of the year with zero competitive action. Where can you find a neural track as most riders have ridden most tracks. You also take the chance of losing some really good genuine top 15 in the world riders because of one bad meeting.. Not sure any rider would buy into this idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 If they reduced the GP series from 12 say to 8, and put 3 GP Challenge finals at the beginning of the season, top 7 point scorers over the 3 meetings go to the GP series, that may work. A case could be made against any proposal, its just picking what may work best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Yes I agree on the flaws but I don't like the fact that 3 are guarenteed through when it is likely to make the series weeker overall as imo only G Laguta and Milik would add anything real to the series but in my opinion neither of them are much better overall than any of the current 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) Yes I agree on the flaws but I don't like the fact that 3 are guarenteed through when it is likely to make the series weeker overall as imo only G Laguta and Milik would add anything real to the series but in my opinion neither of them are much better overall than any of the current 15.Don't forget that 4 of the current GP field are in the qualifiers this year as well. Abensberg line-up #1 : Nicolas Vicentin [FMI] #2: Martin Smolinski [DMS ]#3: Mike Jacopetti [AMF] #4: Ludvig Lindgren [sVEMO] #5: Peter Kildemand [DMU] #6: TBC [AMA] #7: Przemyslaw Pawlicki [PZM] #8: Niklas Säyriö [sML] #9: Matěj Kůs [ACCR] #10: Hans Andersen [DMU] #11: Oliver Berntzon [sVEMO] #12: TBC [PZM] #13: Daniel Gappmeier [AMF] #14: TBC [MNZ] #15: Erik Riss [DMSB] #16: Mikel Patrik [ACCR] Reserve: #17: Valentin Grobauer [DMSB] #18: Max Dilger [DMSB] Ricky Wells is the AMA representative with Bradley Wilson Dean taking the MNZ place according to the Abensberg website. The remaining PZM place is still showing as TBC. Does anyone know who is getting that spot? EDIT - Looks like it should be Jakub Jamrog unless he has refused it. EDIT 2 - Just remembered he is out injured...doh! Edited May 30, 2017 by HenryW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 The Polish rider is Mateusz Szczepaniak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) By the end of the season I bet there are 2 or 3 riders that haven't been cutting the mustard in this GP series and the thought of 3 new fresh faces coming in will be great. Also, you never know who may have a dip or surge in form. I bet there arent many who thought Hancock and Lindgren would be where they are in the standings right now! Really hope Cook makes it through, its his best chance this year. Tough out in Russia but we live in hope! Edited May 31, 2017 by RPNYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Don't forget that 4 of the current GP field are in the qualifiers this year as well. Ricky Wells is the AMA representative with Bradley Wilson Dean taking the MNZ place according to the Abensberg website. The remaining PZM place is still showing as TBC. Does anyone know who is getting that spot? EDIT - Looks like it should be Jakub Jamrog unless he has refused it. EDIT 2 - Just remembered he is out injured...doh! I said in my original post that they wouldn't be allowed to because they would effectively have a direct route to the challenge final or if they get top 8 that season be in the GP's anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 live updates from 1pm uk time here tomorrow www.speedway-forum.de the FIM did stream a qualifier from Germany a few years back - so i wouldn`t completely rule it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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