1986 Queries

[daveallan81]

I'm in the process of updating my Glasgow season files. There will be further queries posted but for now can anyone help with:

 

13/04/86 Berwick W.C.Q.R.

Steve Lawson and Martin McKinna definitely took part, not sure about Bobby Beaton (McKinna may have replaced him). Looking for their respective scores and finishing positions.

 

18/07/86 Hackney v Poole (NL)

Was Kevin Smith excluded under 2 minutes in heats 3 and 13?

 

28/08/86 Middlesbrough v Mildenhall (KOC QF L2)

I found the heat results here http://wwosbackup.proboards.com/thread/6580/1986-ko-cup-middlesbrough-mildenhall but I need the heat times.

 

08/09/86 Newcastle v Glasgow (NL)

Heat 10 saw Glasgow make a double change with Bobby Beaton & Derek Cooper coming in. I need to confirm what helmet colours they took. I am aware of the information posted here http://wwosbackup.proboards.com/thread/6600/1986-nl-newcastle-glasgow but the poster was unable to confirm the source.

 

03/10/86 Glasgow v Birmingham (NL)

Can anyone tell me who the Birmingham captain was in this line-up: Ian M. Stead, Ian Stead, Rob Woffinden, Phil White, David Rose and Mark Stevenson.

Edited December 16, 2016 by daveallan81

[June01]

Newcastle v Glasgow source would have been the SS with some cross referencing from other sources having worked out the heat details myself, I believe.

 

I don't use one single source, or I would quote it or give credit to the originator. I collate as many sources as I can find then work over any discrepancies.

 

Edit: Ah, I see where you're going here - my notes? Just checked your own result for that date and you have the subs the other way around. I can't actually remember specifically which sites I cross referenced for that particular meeting, but the original source would have been the SS. Is it possible there was mention of that heat in the meeting write up?

Edited December 16, 2016 by June01

[daveallan81]

Newcastle v Glasgow source would have been the SS with some cross referencing from other sources having worked out the heat details myself, I believe.

 

I don't use one single source, or I would quote it or give credit to the originator. I collate as many sources as I can find then work over any discrepancies.

 

Edit: Ah, I see where you're going here - my notes? Just checked your own result for that date and you have the subs the other way around. I can't actually remember specifically which sites I cross referenced for that particular meeting, but the original source would have been the SS. Is it possible there was mention of that heat in the meeting write up?

 

Yes it's the notes I'm on about. I emailed you about this a while ago, probably when I first compiled the results, and you gave me the same reply. My programme was filled in from the Star, and my 'rule' when it came to noting a double change was that the higher scorer, in this case Beaton, went in white (or red) and the other rider in yellow (or blue). I've also got it down as a double tactical, as opposed to one TS and a reserve change. It could be that I checked this way back in the day with someone who was at the meeting but I have no way of confirming that. Regarding the match report, I think if it was mentioned we'd both be reporting the same thing. Unfortunately I no longer have the magazines to check.

 

I think this is a meeting-marked programme job. Until one comes along the updated file will reflect the changes as noted on your website but still carry an 'unconfirmed' tag. The more I look at my programme the more I'm convinced it's directly from the Star, with the 'w/yb rule' above applied, and an assumption on my part that it was a double tactical.

[June01]

In cases where I've applied logic to a substitute I've always gone with the assumption that a team manager wouldn't waste a tactical ride where a reserve rider was used as a replacement, and would declare it a reserve substitution.

 

Looking at that meeting afresh I would also have deduced the reserves were used for the injured McKinna, and so the tactical ride was given to Beaton. That's IF I applied logic to that particular meeting. I can only remember (and confirm) that I haven't seen an original programme for that particular meeting, but, like you, I may well have posted asking for information.

 

Sorry I can't be more help than that. Hopefully someone will have a definitive answer and be able to put us both out of our misery.

Edited December 16, 2016 by June01

[daveallan81]

Just to throw a bit of a spin on that, the Glasgow team managers at the time (the late Dave Thomson and Ian Steel) employed the notion that if you can use a reserve as a TS then do so, because you never knew how the rest of the meeting would pan out. You couldn't really waste a reserve TS ride - if you had no option but to make the change, then you may as well burn the TS ride in case the scores closed up, and you still had two reserve switches in your pocket.

[daveallan81]

I've had a PM that confirms that it was a double tactical, with Cooper in white and Beaton in yellow/black.

[June01]

Thanks for the update. I shall amend accordingly.

[daveallan81]

Another one for the list. I'm looking to confirm the date of the Newcastle v Glasgow junior league match staged either 28th September (Newc v Berwick) or 6th October (Newc v Middlesbrough). I have the result but would like the scorers (possibly published in Speedway Star) or the heat details if you have them.

 

Resolved via PM, many thanks.

Edited December 28, 2016 by daveallan81