Speedway Star

[Guest]

Obviously not a close friend.You have spelt his name wrong

 

 

It could be a typo of course. I do them sometimes and I am sure you do too.

 

It was an error on my part. I did key the name in as Kristian and not Christian. It has been corrected now in my original Post but of course, very obviously, would not have appeared as a correction in a subsequent quote of the original Post.

 

Quick scurry back and edit but too late, found out to be deceiptfull yet again.

 

Spelling error? It's amazing that even the cleverest among us can sometimes make a mistake.

Edited December 5, 2016 by Guest

[Stan Duppcomic]

Interesting to read Paul Burbidge's tweet suggesting that British speedway should take note of the pricing in Poland where a season ticket at one track is £35 and admission is £5. How many more punters could they pull in if they only reduced the prices in the UK?

 

I have a similar thought on Speedway Star. TYGODNIK ZUZLOWY The polish equivalent is 3.20 Zloty or 60p. Just think how many more people would buy the star at that price!

Edited December 6, 2016 by Stan Duppcomic

[PHILIPRISING]

Interesting to read Paul Burbidge's tweet suggesting that British speedway should take note of the pricing in Poland where a season ticket at one track is £35 and admission is £5. How many more punters could they pull in if they only reduced the prices in the UK?

 

I have a similar thought on Speedway Star. TYGODNIK ZUZLOWY The polish equivalent is 3.20 Zloty or 60p. Just think how many more people would buy the star at that price!

Not many because SS would exist!

[Stan Duppcomic]

Exactly!

[Tsunami]

Interesting to read Paul Burbidge's tweet suggesting that British speedway should take note of the pricing in Poland where a season ticket at one track is £35 and admission is £5. How many more punters could they pull in if they only reduced the prices in the UK?

 

I have a similar thought on Speedway Star. TYGODNIK ZUZLOWY The polish equivalent is 3.20 Zloty or 60p. Just think how many more people would buy the star at that price!

 

It's a useless thought though. By your financial estimates, you have to have 4 more readers for everyone that buys it at the moment, and that is just to stand still. Don't try and run a business. please.

[STEPHEN 333]

Hi Phil, just would like to ask a question about Speedway Star, At the BSPA AGM in November, all the "big fixtures venues" were released for the British 2017 season, can the Speedway Star yet confirm if any of the "big fixtures venues" for Poland or Sweden have yet been confirmed. Stating this because two meetings I personally would like to attend is the Senior Polish Final, as well as the Swedish Final, have the PZM or SVEMO published their biggies dates yet for 2017.

 

Would also like to know if any "big" Danish meetings/venues have been released

Edited December 6, 2016 by STEPHEN 333

[iris123]

Interesting to read Paul Burbidge's tweet suggesting that British speedway should take note of the pricing in Poland where a season ticket at one track is £35 and admission is £5. How many more punters could they pull in if they only reduced the prices in the UK?

 

I have a similar thought on Speedway Star. TYGODNIK ZUZLOWY The polish equivalent is 3.20 Zloty or 60p. Just think how many more people would buy the star at that price!

Easy to say,look at Poland it is so cheap there compared to us.But then look maybe at the reason why........

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage

 

Then you see in real terms they are pretty much the same prices.If you want to swap British wages for Polish,then you can also pay their prices to get into speedway.Saw a programme last week about a Polish furniture company that get their furniture made in Belarus.Seeing the comparable wages i now understand why.......

Edited December 7, 2016 by iris123

[Gresham]

A possible way of maybe increasing sales in SS, would be to print a generic race 'programme' on the centre pages.

 

They do it for GP's...so why not club meetings?

 

It'll probably piss the Clubs off, but tbh, £2.50 for a programme is a complete waste of money imo, unless you like reading adverts and old news.

 

Sell advertising space around the edge of the printed generic race programme as well.

 

I've stopped buying programmes, print my own out instead, and buy the SS occasionally.

 

I'd buy the SS weekly if it did this.

 

I'm not tight or skint...but Programmes for most sporting events, are a waste of money these days...unless you are a collector.

[iris123]

A possible way of maybe increasing sales in SS, would be to print a generic race 'programme' on the centre pages.

 

They do it for GP's...so why not club meetings?

 

It'll probably piss the Clubs off, but tbh, £2.50 for a programme is a complete waste of money imo, unless you like reading adverts and old news.

 

Sell advertising space around the edge of the printed generic race programme as well.

 

I've stopped buying programmes, print my own out instead, and buy the SS occasionally.

 

I'd buy the SS weekly if it did this.

 

I'm not tight or skint...but Programmes for most sporting events, are a waste of money these days...unless you are a collector.

The idea that the Speedway Star should take revenue from the clubs is self defeating.If the clubs earn less money the ygo broke and Speedway Stars revenue also declines!!!!! Is that a good strategy?

[Gresham]

The idea that the Speedway Star should take revenue from the clubs is self defeating.If the clubs earn less money the ygo broke and Speedway Stars revenue also declines!!!!! Is that a good strategy?

Agreed...but if programme sales are the difference between a Club running or not, then I'd say British Club Speedway is totally broke.

 

If people want to save money, they can already print out race cards online.

 

Printing a race card in the SS wouldn't have an influence on programme sales substantially, as the option is already out there.

 

However...it might increase SS sales if it was printed.

 

I'd rather spend the money I've saved on a programme, on an extra beer. I wonder what earns the biggest profit...the beer or the programme?

[iris123]

Agreed...but if programme sales are the difference between a Club running or not, then I'd say British Club Speedway is totally broke.

 

If people want to save money, they can already print out race cards online.

 

Printing a race card in the SS wouldn't have an influence on programme sales substantially, as the option is already out there.

 

However...it might increase SS sales if it was printed.

 

I'd rather spend the money I've saved on a programme, on an extra beer. I wonder what earns the biggest profit...the beer or the programme?

You contradict yourself.You admit doing so would "probably piss the Clubs off" then say i shouldn't make any difference.Why would it "piss the Clubs off"if it isn't for the revenue reason?

 

The fact is if people don't want to spend money on a programme why would they want to spend more on the Star,just for a printed racecard?The fact of the matter is the Star wouldn't exist without speedway and just the idea of them competing for revenue with the clubs is self defeating.

[wjm]

I have a similar thought on Speedway Star. TYGODNIK ZUZLOWY The polish equivalent is 3.20 Zloty or 60p. Just think how many more people would buy the star at that price!

 

 

Probably about the same number of people that buy it now. I wouldn’t buy Knitting Weekly if they reduced it to 20p because I don’t care about knitting..

 

If clubs sell even 200 programmes a meeting at an average of £2.00, across a year that is the best part of £7,000.00 a season. I would imagine most smaller businesses would notice that as a missed revenue stream rather than meaning either a business, or speedway club is broke as a dependence on such income.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Minor Interest

[Gresham]

You contradict yourself.You admit doing so would "probably piss the Clubs off" then say i shouldn't make any difference.Why would it "piss the Clubs off"if it isn't for the revenue reason?

 

The fact is if people don't want to spend money on a programme why would they want to spend more on the Star,just for a printed racecard?The fact of the matter is the Star wouldn't exist without speedway and just the idea of them competing for revenue with the clubs is self defeating.

Yep...totally agree. Would be absolutely farcical for the SS to print a race card. Like you say...SS can't live without speedway. Wouldn't it be a shame if SS were to print a race card and British speedway to close...just because of printing a race card. Just goes to show the small margins speedway runs on...the difference between a club running and the non sales of a programme. Said with tongue firmly in cheek....

 

God forbid fans have an option, and buying the SS with race card and spending the saved money on a pint instead. No profit in that at all.

 

Do fans buy a programme out of habit, for the info or the race card? Habit and card I'd guess.

 

Why do fans buy SS? Habit, info? Bit a both I'd guess.

 

Wonder what makes more profit for a club...food and drink or programme sales?

 

I'd guess food and drink...open to correction.

 

I'd get rid of programmes altogether, just provide an A4 printed race card if needs be at a £1. I'd have a Club App that you paid for, that automatically updated scores for you as the meeting progressed. Sponsors can still pay to advertise and news can be kept up to the minute. At least it would keep the younger generation interested between heats. Have a treasure hunt for the kids giving clues between heats. Comps and updates and offers between heats for the adults. Make it interactive so fans can voice their feelings from the terraces etc.

 

You've only got to see peoples heads in their phones between heats. Not for the older generation...but maybe a solution for the new to keep them occupied.

 

Still think the SS should print a race card though.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Gresham

[wjm]

I'd get rid of programmes altogether

 

Why?

 

That doesn’t even begin to make sense, there is a market for programmes, people buy them, they generate income.

[iris123]

Yep...totally agree.

The point you seem to miss although you yourself stated it is,it might "piss the Clubs off".Now you do that and it is obvious their margins are fairly small if they make a profit at all.But to even attempt to take revenue from a Club and what does the Club do?It bans you from selling the Star at their stadium.Great idea i don't think.Tell you what if the Clubs make so much money from food and drink wouldn't it be a super idea to boost the Stars profit if they also start selling beer,cola and sandwiches at a lower price than they do in the stadium.......

Edited December 7, 2016 by iris123

[Gresham]

 

Why?

 

That doesn’t even begin to make sense, there is a market for programmes, people buy them, they generate income.

How much actual profit do they make, compared to printing an A4 race card? That would still generate income and would be far less outlay. You can still sell advertising space on them.

Would save outlay costs and time in printing, but still provide the necessary service of a race card.

 

 

The point you seem to miss although you yourself stated it is,it might "piss the Clubs off".Now you do that and it is obvious their margins are fairly small if they make a profit at all.But to even attempt to take revenue from a Club and what does the Club do?It bans you from selling the Star at their stadium.Great idea i don't think.Tell you what if the Clubs make so much money from food and drink wouldn't it be a super idea to boost the Stars profit if they also start selling beer,cola and sandwiches at a lower price than they do in the stadium.......

Why do the SS print a race card for the GP's then if it's such a problem? I had a family at the British GP filling in their SS instead of programme to save costs. Surely the SS would be doing the GP circuit a disservice if it was such a problem?

 

Less and less programmes in all sports are sold, because it's old news. Speedway just needs a race card imo.

[wjm]

How much actual profit do they make, compared to printing an A4 race card? That would still generate income and would be far less outlay. You can still sell advertising space on them.

Would save outlay costs and time in printing, but still provide the necessary service of a race card.

 

 

 

Far less advertising space, no bespoke full page adverts. I would also add that while you are evidently not a fan of a programme there's clearly a market that is, and they do sell, so thus discontinuing a product that generates revenue would just be bad business sense.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Minor Interest

[iris123]

 

 

 

Why do the SS print a race card for the GP's then if it's such a problem? I had a family at the British GP filling in their SS instead of programme to save costs. Surely the SS would be doing the GP circuit a disservice if it was such a problem?

 

Less and less programmes in all sports are sold, because it's old news. Speedway just needs a race card imo.

Look i am not going to keep agruing the toss with you back and forwards as you seem to love,but

 

It might have escaped your notice that the GPs are mainly in foreign countries,so don't affect local Clubs.It might also be the fact that i think the company that does the programmes is also the same one that runs the Star.Even if it isn't it only means 1 GP in the UK and presumably they have no trouble from BSI as they work closely together.I was always under the impression the print was more for stay at home,watch it on tv fans anyway or why produce one for each GP

 

Now you yourself stated clearly it might "piss off Clubs".Now tell us why that might be,please?And is it worth it?

Edited December 7, 2016 by iris123

[Gresham]

Look i am not going to keep agruing the toss with you back and forwards as you seem to love,but

 

It might have escaped your notice that the GPs are mainly in foreign countries,so don't affect local Clubs.It might also be the fact that i think the company that does the programmes is also the same one that runs the Star.Even if it isn't it only means 1 GP in the UK and presumably they have no trouble from BSI as they work closely together.I was always under the impression the print was more for stay at home,watch it on tv fans anyway or why produce one for each GP

 

Now you yourself stated clearly it might "piss off Clubs".Now tell us why that might be,please?And is it worth it?

Like I said...'it might'...not 'it definitely does'...plus I'm not arguing, just debating on a forum with you. Christ...so many on here gets so friggin aggressive if you debate points.

 

Perhaps Philip would be able to give a better insight into the benefits or not of a weekly race card.

 

Perhaps Programmes, a printed race card on A4, and the SS with race card could all sit happily together...as well an updated club app etc.

[wjm]

Christ...so many on here gets so friggin aggressive if you debate points.

 

 

No one has been even remotely aggressive with you.