secsy1 Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Will the advent of re-branding really make any difference and will this forum soon embrace it and change the listings also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Will the advent of re-branding really make any difference and will this forum soon embrace it and change the listings also? Well it's a good start, if ALL promoters stick by it, then it could be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Will the advent of re-branding really make any difference and will this forum soon embrace it and change the listings also? Well it is certainly more honest. No complaints from me. 'ELITE' :rofl: :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Basically a North / South split I think Championship clubs will strive to be No 1 in League, but if there is a chance of being promoted in the play off's will just chuck the meeting. Why would any Northern club want to be promoted into a Southern league, the travel costs would be horrendous. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Basically a North / South split I think Championship clubs will strive to be No 1 in League, but if there is a chance of being promoted in the play off's will just chuck the meeting. Why would any Northern club want to be promoted into a Southern league, the travel costs would be horrendous. Hear, hear - well said. On both points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 I saw "SGB Premiership" mentioned in one of Busters press releases. Maybe there's more to this than meets the eye. Hey, could be it's not just any ol' Premiership any more. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Most of the 'Southern-based' double uppers will have to be travelling North for their double up rides!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Basically a North / South split I think Championship clubs will strive to be No 1 in League, but if there is a chance of being promoted in the play off's will just chuck the meeting. Why would any Northern club want to be promoted into a Southern league, the travel costs would be horrendous. If the BSPA were really serious about pure Promotion / Relegation then surely the bottom team from Premiership would be relegated and the top team from the Championship would be promoted . No need for playoffs or the potential throwing of playoffs 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 If the BSPA were really serious about pure Promotion / Relegation then surely the bottom team from Premiership would be relegated and the top team from the Championship would be promoted . No need for playoffs or the potential throwing of playoffs An excellent point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 If the BSPA were really serious about pure Promotion / Relegation then surely the bottom team from Premiership would be relegated and the top team from the Championship would be promoted . No need for playoffs or the potential throwing of playoffs The trouble is you would then have teams not trying to win the league and teams trying to come bottom ...Promotion and Relegation does not really work in uk speedway and never will 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 No one outside the sport even noticed the Great Re-vamp. It was not reported outside of non speedway areas and thus the outside world knows nothing more than they did before it happened. Speedway is far too inward looking and it's only hope is to attract new, younger fans. Older generations of fans have passed away ( or are getting less active ) they will not be attracted back by a change of names! Promoters are a Big Fish in their own little sporting pond and believe that the rest of the world is listening. Perhaps because it's over in less than ten seconds that's the case in 70% of races. A majority of riders seem to accept that the positions at the end of lap one will be the result. Except for the few young guns or dyed in the wool racers are prepared to give it all in an attempt to gain a point ( or not run a last ). Are different better incentives needed? There are invariably not more than five races in a match where there is any passing or excitement. That old saying of first away wins is mostly true and will not easily attract new fans. Getting away from the start and not making a mistake makes it very difficult to be passed - that is a fact of modern speedway racing. Track preparation - too many promoters still say they do the track prep to retain the home advantage. Too many tracks are still "trick tracks" and need a technique which riders visiting once a year do not attempt to master that technique. Away teams in many cases accept their fate and ride accordingly, hoping at best to avoid a thrashing. Providing a track where the opposition can believe they have a real chance of winning is essential if you want new fans to return. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 An excellent point. The playoffs are a bumper pay day for the teams involved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) The playoffs are a bumper pay day for the teams involved. Exactly as that is what Speedway is all about which is making money Ask any promoter what would you prefer; winning the league of making a profit I know what the answer would be Edited November 23, 2016 by mickthemuppet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Exactly as that is what Speedway is all about which is making money Ask any promoter what would you prefer; winning the league of making a profit I know what the answer would be Now there's a question to ask Gordon and Morton at Belle Vue, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_t Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 They only changed the name to stop us saying "Elite league....what's elite about it??" Probably 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 They only changed the name to stop us saying "Elite league....what's elite about it??" Probably Aye, and the same nerds will be asking why was it changed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Aye, and the same nerds will be asking why was it changed. He did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 The playoffs are a bumper pay day for the teams involved. Difficult to argue with that. I will give you the fact that money is the only justification for it. From a pure sporting point of view it is wrong. Still doesn't make it right that the Team that wins the League over a whole Season then has to then go out and win it again right at the end of the Season when some of their foreign Riders have gone home. What about those Teams not involved though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke Potter Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Perhaps because it's over in less than ten seconds that's the case in 70% of races. A majority of riders seem to accept that the positions at the end of lap one will be the result. Except for the few young guns or dyed in the wool racers are prepared to give it all in an attempt to gain a point ( or not run a last ). Are different better incentives needed? There are invariably not more than five races in a match where there is any passing or excitement. That old saying of first away wins is mostly true and will not easily attract new fans. Getting away from the start and not making a mistake makes it very difficult to be passed - that is a fact of modern speedway racing. Track preparation - too many promoters still say they do the track prep to retain the home advantage. Too many tracks are still "trick tracks" and need a technique which riders visiting once a year do not attempt to master that technique. Away teams in many cases accept their fate and ride accordingly, hoping at best to avoid a thrashing. Providing a track where the opposition can believe they have a real chance of winning is essential if you want new fans to return. This gets to the heart of the issue like few posts do. The reality is that the vast majority of UK tracks are too small and/or narrow to produce genuine top class racing that will attract new fans from outside the sport. I would say it's probably closer to 90% of races being over by the end of the back straight on lap 1. Get the product right with decent sized, well prepared tracks and then launch a sustained marketing campaign and the sport will have a future, otherwise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 This gets to the heart of the issue like few posts do. The reality is that the vast majority of UK tracks are too small and/or narrow to produce genuine top class racing that will attract new fans from outside the sport. I would say it's probably closer to 90% of races being over by the end of the back straight on lap 1. Get the product right with decent sized, well prepared tracks and then launch a sustained marketing campaign and the sport will have a future, otherwise... I agree (I'm not a lover of small tracks) but it gets harder to find and buy the land for such tracks, so we're stuck with trying to preserve what we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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