foreverblue Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 No question of Holder's quality - his average alone demonstrates that. But your comments about KK and Hans being 'moody', seem to indicate that Holder isn't and doesn't have any 'off' days?! I hope you and he and Poole have a great season. It is certainly a matter of debate who you would rather have away at tracks like Rye House or Wolves, KK or Holder. Both will score maximums at Poole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) I don't get all this crap about averages being the reason Holder was not signed by Poole. When someone who has served the club so well, been a legion for more years than one can remember, been an inspiration to so many, top scored most seasons, at any other club he would have been the first name on the sheet. even had the average been doubled. Whatever reasons behind the thinking, it had nothing to do with his average. Especially with the heat format going back to when the heat leaders were the most important rider in the team. Its all very good having strong reserves but that not that important any more. Riders like KK and Andersen are OK, but they are also moody riders and have more oft days than most. These two cannot be compared to the quality of Holder. It is for this reason I feel there is more to it than we know. Could it be Finance?, Could it be Personalities?, Could it be Attitude? It could be a number of things . I know at Lynn we would've moved Heaven and Earth to have Niels in our team on even a bigger average than Chris. so it was surmountable. We have benefitted from Poole not wanting Chris and he'll be made most welcome here.. Had this event had happened here at Lynn with Niels the fans would have been in uproar that he was allowed to go. I'm amazed, most of the Poole fans have just accepted it as the right thing to do, because Matt Ford said so. As a Kings Lynn Supporter I like to say a big Thank You to Matt Ford , whatever the reasons were.... A Happy Christmas to you all...... A great post and what a SURPRISE Chris was allowed 😅to go a grave mistake in my opinion.As you said the HL are the most important part of the team now.Also i believe Chris will be a great team player who could help/Lewis/Robert/Josh?? Edited December 19, 2016 by Sidney the robin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 don't agree with you on rose and Newman kyle is far better than Lewis at the moment just our opinion's Yep i agree Newman is a better rider then Rose but there was less than half a point between them at both levels last season and at Lynn Rose over took Newman twice in the same night so he certainly can mix it with him and will score well at home. But yes Newman is the better rider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 But is there any difference between Pooles reserves and Lynns? Klindt should be better than Huckenbeck but it isnt a guarantee now that Kai has had a years experience over here now and will be riding in easier races. Holder v KK - Holder Lambert v Hans - Lambert Batch v Kurtz - Batch Porsing v Holder - Holder Rose v Newman - Newman (though Rose is very close) Huckenbeck v Klindt - Klindt Bailey v Shanes - level So 2 very closely matched teams and blatantly obvious that Poole could have used Holder and still been very strong I think it will be a lot closer than that! I don't expect any of those top 3 to consistently be able to beat their counter parts. Certainly wouldn't fancy calling Noddy over KK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 But is there any difference between Pooles reserves and Lynns? Klindt should be better than Huckenbeck but it isnt a guarantee now that Kai has had a years experience over here now and will be riding in easier races. Holder v KK - Holder Lambert v Hans - Lambert Batch v Kurtz - Batch Porsing v Holder - Holder Rose v Newman - Newman (though Rose is very close) Huckenbeck v Klindt - Klindt Bailey v Shanes - level So 2 very closely matched teams and blatantly obvious that Poole could have used Holder and still been very strong I think all positions are close, Hans finished with a marginally better average than Lambert so that would suggest there isn't much between them. Batchelor and Kurtz are close too and both have let their team down at vital times in the past. Porsing has proved himself at EL level whereas Jack holder has more potential but has to yet prove it. Newman and Klindt are better but close too. I have seen Bailey a few times and he has potential to be a decent reserve so possibly just has the edge over Shanes. A great post and what a SURPRISE Chris was aloud to go a grave mistake in my opinion.As you said the HL are the most important part of the team now.Also i believe Chris will be a great team player who could help/Lewis/Robert/Josh?? aloud! no need to shout!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 I think it will be a lot closer than that! I don't expect any of those top 3 to consistently be able to beat their counter parts. Certainly wouldn't fancy calling Noddy over KK. In my opinion Kings Lynn have a stronger top 3 and Poole are stronger in the second string roles and slightly at reserve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Haha! good luck with that!!😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 If i remember rightly was there not a debate on here about this time last year where most Poole fans were adamant that Holder would never ride for another British club now most are happy to see him go, what a difference a year makes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 I think all positions are close, Hans finished with a marginally better average than Lambert so that would suggest there isn't much between them. Batchelor and Kurtz are close too and both have let their team down at vital times in the past. Porsing has proved himself at EL level whereas Jack holder has more potential but has to yet prove it. Newman and Klindt are better but close too. I have seen Bailey a few times and he has potential to be a decent reserve so possibly just has the edge over Shanes. aloud! no need to shout!! I am Allowed to make a mistake😅😅and a happy Christmas to you.😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Yep i agree Newman is a better rider then Rose but there was less than half a point between them at both levels last season and at Lynn Rose over took Newman twice in the same night so he certainly can mix it with him and will score well at home. But yes Newman is the better rider looking at it Newman had a easier life in the crap format of the elite than he did in the premier league we will see what happens next year the format may be harder in the premiership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 If i remember rightly was there not a debate on here about this time last year where most Poole fans were adamant that Holder would never ride for another British club now most are happy to see him go, what a difference a year makes. I don't think most Poole fans were adamant that Holder would never ride for another club, rather a small handful of posters saying the same thing again and again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 I don't get all this crap about averages being the reason Holder was not signed by Poole. When someone who has served the club so well, been a legion for more years than one can remember, been an inspiration to so many, top scored most seasons, at any other club he would have been the first name on the sheet. even had the average been doubled. Whatever reasons behind the thinking, it had nothing to do with his average. Especially with the heat format going back to when the heat leaders were the most important rider in the team. Its all very good having strong reserves but that not that important any more. Riders like KK and Andersen are OK, but they are also moody riders and have more oft days than most. These two cannot be compared to the quality of Holder. It is for this reason I feel there is more to it than we know. Could it be Finance?, Could it be Personalities?, Could it be Attitude? It could be a number of things . A Happy Christmas to you all...... So to me you are clearly just guessing.. You dont know, do you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 I don't think most Poole fans were adamant that Holder would never ride for another club, rather a small handful of posters saying the same thing again and again. Tbh they are only going on what Holder has said in the past. He was the one that said he would only ride for Poole. Star man chooses to believe it 100%. But most people know riders only tell you want they think you want to hear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 So to me you are clearly just guessing.. You dont know, do you.. I have never said or pretended to know the reasons why Holder and Poole have parted. All I've said that I believe the reasons why this has happened is not just down to the factored average. Chris Holder was too good a rider to let go on that reason alone..... No doubt one day it will come out in the wash, and we'll all know the reasons why!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Tbh they are only going on what Holder has said in the past. He was the one that said he would only ride for Poole. Star man chooses to believe it 100%. But most people know riders only tell you want they think you want to hear. Spot on & the same goes for promoter, pinch of salt is all we should take from any comments said. At the end of the day, we have Holder & you don't and both clubs & fans are happy with their teams. Talk is cheap, only in October will we know who's done right & wrong. Let the battle commence on track from March 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 I have never said or pretended to know the reasons why Holder and Poole have parted. All I've said that I believe the reasons why this has happened is not just down to the factored average. Chris Holder was too good a rider to let go on that reason alone..... No doubt one day it will come out in the wash, and we'll all know the reasons why!!!!! Many have said and im saying again, its all down to figures. Also reserves win you meetings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Many have said and im saying again, its all down to figures. Also reserves win you meetings. Quite clearly the reason Holder left wasnt just solely down to figures but you keep banging that drum. Reserves win meetings? How did that go for you in the play off semi finals last year?? Your reserves outscored Wolves (including bonus points) by 35 points to 23, yet you lost over the 2 legs?? Oh and in case you werent sure Belle Vue's reserves outscored Wolves reserves over the 2 legs as well but didnt win! No good your reserves scoring 15 between them and your secong string being rubbish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Many have said and im saying again, its all down to figures. Also reserves win you meetings.yes in last format reserves won meetings next season will a little different I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 I wish Chris all the very best at King's Lynn. Sad to see Noddy leave but Matt Ford has done the right thing. Signing KK gives us more points to play with (01.46). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Quite clearly the reason Holder left wasnt just solely down to figures but you keep banging that drum. Reserves win meetings? How did that go for you in the play off semi finals last year?? Your reserves outscored Wolves (including bonus points) by 35 points to 23, yet you lost over the 2 legs?? Oh and in case you werent sure Belle Vue's reserves outscored Wolves reserves over the 2 legs as well but didnt win! No good your reserves scoring 15 between them and your secong string being rubbish You said it all, thats why we lost the title.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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