Fromafar Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Look at Liam's average on speedway stats for this season, you will see its only 3.16 So you can see he is eligible too come in fir Danyon. He started the season on 4.69 in Championship.It will all come down to Interpretation no doubt so who cares anyway.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) Look at Liam's average on speedway stats for this season, you will see its only 3.16 So you can see he is eligible too come in fir Danyon. It's his starting average that matters, not his current average. Thats pretty clear,let's see how they get round it if Even IF Carr is dropped by Berwick as it does say provided they are NOT declared in a Championship Team at the START of the season.Interesting !! It says 'current Championship riders' so surely if Carr gets dropped then he's not currently a Championship rider and therefore isn't doubling-up so the quoted rule is irrelevant. Edited May 4, 2017 by Islander15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Doesn't treat junior riders very well at all; speaking as one who has tried to get him to allow a local rider to practice at Perry Barr. I know of several local riders allowed to practice after meetings at Birmingham. So happy to disagree with you on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 I know of several local riders allowed to practice after meetings at Birmingham. So happy to disagree with you on that one. So why not allow this one, who lives just up the road? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 It seems that it was not Liam Carr on 4.69 in the initial declaration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 It's his starting average that matters, not his current average. It says 'current Championship riders' so surely if Carr gets dropped then he's not currently a Championship rider and therefore isn't doubling-up so the quoted rule is irrelevant. Like I say it's all all about interpretation as with a lot of rules in speedway and also which Promotion is involved.Rule book is a standing joke IMO . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 So why not allow this one, who lives just up the road? Does he have a license and have race insurance?? All required to be allowed to practice after a meeting. Has he asked??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 It seems that it was not Liam Carr on 4.69 in the initial declaration. Meaning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 I know there are rules and some of them for very good season but we have a young, talented BRITISH rider who is struggling at the moment. He needs some much needed confidence. It's not like Birmingham are pulling a fast one, Liam's NL average is lower than Danyons and this seasons Liams Championship average is significantly lower than Danyons. In theory this move weakens Birmingham so they lose out. For once let's just see it that a team is trying to sign a rider rather than use r/r all year and in doing so are helping a struggling kid out. The rule is so badly worded that it could be legal or illegal however oi chose to read it but as only good can come from this let's just say it legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 I know there are rules and some of them for very good season but we have a young, talented BRITISH rider who is struggling at the moment. He needs some much needed confidence. It's not like Birmingham are pulling a fast one, Liam's NL average is lower than Danyons and this seasons Liams Championship average is significantly lower than Danyons. In theory this move weakens Birmingham so they lose out. For once let's just see it that a team is trying to sign a rider rather than use r/r all year and in doing so are helping a struggling kid out. The rule is so badly worded that it could be legal or illegal however oi chose to read it but as only good can come from this let's just say it legal. I agree with what you say regarding British rider and R/r but would every promotion be treated the same way regarding wording of rules some how I doubt when looking at some things that have happened in the past.Only in Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moleman27 Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Well yeah, but that's all because British Speedway is run by promoters and not a seperate board as it should be so its run as proffesional as it can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Does he have a license and have race insurance?? All required to be allowed to practice after a meeting. Has he asked??? Yes, yes and yes. He is riding in two DL teams this year, 120 and 210 miles away, which is a pain when there is a track only two miles away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted May 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 JJ some people just wont have it. Its very much a case of if your face fits pal unless you have huge potential and improve rapidly you will get dropped like a hot spud.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 JJ some people just wont have it. ... But don't stop trying. There are those who will justify those in their late 20's and even in their 30's being given team places if they are "late developers", Who knows, he may be a Stoke Potter of the future. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Surely this isn't an 'initial team declaration ' so the rule has no force in this case ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Surely this isn't an 'initial team declaration ' so the rule has no force in this case ?There are many ways you can interpretate this reg.Imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Yes, yes and yes. He is riding in two DL teams this year, 120 and 210 miles away, which is a pain when there is a track only two miles away! It's unlike Drury to not be on the ball if someone has potential. Id say not to keep asking tho! Prove it on track. He is always impressed with that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted May 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Drury on the ball with potential ??? You have to be having a laugh like who ?? Zach ? Phil Morris Jack Smith ? He had never heard of him was Tom Perry told him sign him in JPB? As above but who had not heard of jpb after he had already signed for Buxton. Drury to my knowledge has never bothered staying to watch a second half in years .. Hes not a clue about the best young riders around you never see him at other meetings every other night like you do many other managers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianbuck Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Mr Red and Yellow is confusing himself! The rider Tom Perry recommended was Danyon Hume - not Jack Smith. Jack and JPB were the first two riders that Birmingham signed for the 2016 season. Not that this is likely to make any difference to someone who seems more interested in slandering a promoter whom he obviously doesn't like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) Mr Red and Yellow is confusing himself! The rider Tom Perry recommended was Danyon Hume - not Jack Smith. Jack and JPB were the first two riders that Birmingham signed for the 2016 season. Not that this is likely to make any difference to someone who seems more interested in slandering a promoter whom he obviously doesn't like! I have always been of the belief that Danny King recommended Hume. Smith guested for Kent @ Brum and JPB obviously cut his teeth at Buxton. Either way all 3 of these riders along with Tom Bacon all did their early development elsewhere with Birmingham scooping them up once the level / averages fitted. Edited May 5, 2017 by Sings4Kings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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