Cradley Heathens 2017

[TurnTwo]

Did he though? I'm sure he scored about 10 against eastbourne when they were slaughtered up there

[Sings4Speedway]

According to the excellent speedway stats his average for 2016 was 3.27

 

http://www.speedway-stats.co.uk/Rider/665

[martin_t]

Did he though? I'm sure he scored about 10 against eastbourne when they were slaughtered up there

Were they all programmed rides? Edited December 6, 2016 by martin_t

[mac101]

He never got a true average because he was not declared in any 1 -7 so his scores never really counted must have ridden for every team in the league lol

[TurnTwo]

Neither was beebee by the looks of it, very strange I wonder if Cradley would still keep him if he had to ride in the main body of the team or start on a higher avg how very embarrassing if they have to retract him!

[Jayne]

He never got a true average because he was not declared in any 1 -7 so his scores never really counted must have ridden for every team in the league lol

that's irrelevant the rule states that a rider with an assessed average will achieve a cma when they complete four meetings. Nothing to do with being declared in a team. This rule was brought in to prevent this exact situation happening.

[Islander15]

that's irrelevant the rule states that a rider with an assessed average will achieve a cma when they complete four meetings. Nothing to do with being declared in a team. This rule was brought in to prevent this exact situation happening.

Exactly, which is why Brennan could only do 3 meetings despite not being declared in the Eagles side.

 

Also Bebee got declared in the Mildenhall team.

Edited December 6, 2016 by Islander15

[mac101]

think most of his rides were R/R as he was usually the number 8

[Ommer Mon]

Welcome to Joe.

 

He certainly looked to have plenty of promise when we saw him last season and, as noted above, his scores at buxton were quite staggering on occasions.

[Jayne]

think most of his rides were R/R as he was usually the number 8

Not true he had at least 15 meetings riding in the 1-7

[21st century heathen]

16.2 Match Averages

 

16.2.1 Established MA's are calculated...

 

...National League: League Meetings only.

 

NB: ... Riders appearing as a Guest or as a #8 are ignored."

 

Discuss ☺️

[Islander15]

16.2 Match Averages

 

16.2.1 Established MA's are calculated...

 

...National League: League Meetings only.

 

NB: ... Riders appearing as a Guest or as a #8 are ignored."

 

Discuss ☺️

But guests need an established match average and when a 3.00 rider fills in they aren't technically a guest, they're a 3.00 unattached rider.

[21st century heathen]

A guest rider assumes the position and average of the rider he replaces (19.13.1).

 

A rider without an established average does not ride that meeting as a 3 point reserve. He rides directly in place of the injured rider and assumes his average for the night and could therefore, effectively, be a 10 point number 1 for the night. Whatever his heat results on he night riding as the guest number 1 (in the eg I suggesting here) will, as stated above, be ignored for the purpose of established MA's.

 

A guest rider does not have to have an established MA but must be in a current team declaration (19.13.2)

 

What confuses people is the two types of #8 we refer to - and we shouldn't. In the case of Lawlor whose rides for Heathens last year are being queried here were as an Additional Rider (AR) as per 19.12.1

 

I'll shorthand/paraphrase rather than quote it all. A team using R/R nominate an AR who can take the rides of the absent rider. A rider may only be AR if not in a declared 1-7 and his MA does not exceed 3.00.

 

I assume it's 16.2.8 which is being cited and to that I can only conclude that at no time did Lawlor complete 4 NL league meetings. I would need more time than I have this time of night to try to find his meetings.

 

Does this affect Jenkins too?

[21st century heathen]

Which meetings that qualify him to gain an established MA did he ride in? I don't know. Also, which meetings did Jenkins ride in?

[Nathan Mole]

You can be declared as a number8 and so can guest for any team, plus he didn't actually do enough league meetings for cradley as number 1 - 7 as was counted as no8 for many so does not count towards an average

[Jayne]

You can be declared as a number8 and so can guest for any team, plus he didn't actually do enough league meetings for cradley as number 1 - 7 as was counted as no8 for many so does not count towards an average

Its not just about the number of matches for one team it is the season as a whole. Joe rode for a number of clubs including Stoke, Belle Vue and Buxton over the season in the 1-7 so should qualify to obtain a cma.

[21st century heathen]

Jayne - Specifically, which meetings? What rule are you citing?

 

Thanks.

[Jayne]

Jayne - Specifically, which meetings? What rule are you citing?

 

Thanks.

 

All NL matches and the rule is 16.2.8 - A NL rider, who is not in a NL Team declaration will be given an Established MA after completing 4 meetings, irrespective of being home or away

Edited December 8, 2016 by Jayne

[21st century heathen]

Jayne - Thank you for confirming it is this rule you refer to.

 

We now need to know specifically which meetings he rode in and in what capacity he rode. If/when I get time I'll try to find out.

[pete cc]

I understand that rules are rules but , i do think that everyone has forgot about the young rider here who wants to get on in this sport. Do we want to hold him back or just try & screw Cradley Heathens? ( I hope the answer is neither.)