Little Thumper Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) It's not ideal but it is what it is. I don't want to be negative, I really don't. I was there at Hyde Road when Peter Collins raced against Ole Olsen and I was there when the opposing groups of fans indulged in their passionate but friendly rivalry. I was there when Soldier Boy heckled Olsen and I was there when speedway was great. Yeah, I know rose-tinted spectacles and all that! But speedway is better than cobbled together teams of Travelling Wilburys. If you can't afford to run a proper NL team, run in the MDL or something like that. Build up your fanbase and let them grow with you. I would far rather see a league of 10 half-decent teams rather than a collection of odd bods thrown together for the sake of convenience. I'll shut up now. Sorry for banging on. Edited December 13, 2016 by Little Thumper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 It's not ideal but it is what it is. Could 'we' draw 'us' in the Cup?😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 It's hardly the first time this has taken place. A few years back Scunthorpe and Sheffield shared a team and ran at both tracks. ...and won the league. Can't remember how they split things. Will they ride as Belle Vue in Colts racejackets with a Belle Vue manager when at Belle Vue, and ride as Coventry in Storm racejackets with a Coventry manager when at Coventry? I Imagine it's a disadvantage for the riders having 2 home tracks and 2 different managers, but it must've worked out OK for Scunthorpe/Sheffield when they won the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUFC_Brummie Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 All a bit farcical this, along with Swindon running a NT team cobbled together from riders of other teams, very amateur. If with Belle Vue they'd just said it was the Colts but they'd have to ride some meetings at Coventry due to track restrictions it would have been a bit more acceptable, though you'd ask why they couldn't get somewhere closer. The way it's been worded makes it sound like it's intended as some sort of hybrid though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 ...So, in essence, this team is the Belle Vue Colts and Coventry are the junior partners... And who is the promoter of the "senior partner"? As in the person(s) not just the generic team name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Here we have the news that two clubs with issues with their track declaring intent to run. It should be great news for that reason alone. It's also means team places for 7 more riders, more good news. It also means 2 more meetings for all the riders in the other teams, more good news. Yet speedway fans twist it into a negative, they find fault. FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 ...and won the league. Can't remember how they split things. Will they ride as Belle Vue in Colts racejackets with a Belle Vue manager when at Belle Vue, and ride as Coventry in Storm racejackets with a Coventry manager when at Coventry? I Imagine it's a disadvantage for the riders having 2 home tracks and 2 different managers, but it must've worked out OK for Scunthorpe/Sheffield when they won the title. They were called Scunthorpe when riding at Scunthorpe, Sheffield when riding at Sheffield and Scunthorpe/Sheffield when riding away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Will they have a pool of riders or be declared in 2 team as sure the rules say you can't be declared in both teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Will they have a pool of riders or be declared in 2 team as sure the rules say you can't be declared in both teams Its only one team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 This is the first time I have heard of this, do you have any details? wasn't it a couple of seasons ago that there was a hackney/lakeside with hackney based at rye house ? and certainly in the late 90's 2nd tier sides did it , newport & exeter were western warriors, swindon & reading were raven sprockets and you had the anglian angels i think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Its only one team. More a daydream than a team. Neither location has the use of the stadium secured, Belle Vue doesn't have a promoter at the helm, Coventry is the subject of a Police investigation whilst the stadium lies in ruins. IMHO, there's a few basics that have to be dealt with before we start singing from the rooftops about this "team". And then there's Swindon. To quote the statement - "Swindon, who are due to move into their new stadium in June, will also enter a team into the National Trophy with riders from sides who aren’t in the mini tournament." - What's that all about? A team of 7 guest riders who will wow the Swindon public for all of 4 meetings only? Will Swindon have to have the same 1-7 or can they pick a team of track specialists for each of their away meetings? Is this like making things up as you go along, or what? And what if the developers "do a Reading" and don't deliver on their promise of a new stadium there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) More a daydream than a team. Neither location has the use of the stadium secured, Belle Vue doesn't have a promoter at the helm, Coventry is the subject of a Police investigation whilst the stadium lies in ruins. IMHO, there's a few basics that have to be dealt with before we start singing from the rooftops about this "team". And then there's Swindon. To quote the statement - "Swindon, who are due to move into their new stadium in June, will also enter a team into the National Trophy with riders from sides who aren’t in the mini tournament." - What's that all about? A team of 7 guest riders who will wow the Swindon public for all of 4 meetings only? Will Swindon have to have the same 1-7 or can they pick a team of track specialists for each of their away meetings? Is this like making things up as you go along, or what? And what if the developers "do a Reading" and don't deliver on their promise of a new stadium there? Don't get too worried uk martin! This is speedway organisation we are watching in action. And besides the Coventry/Belle Vue Colts strategy the proposed Trophy team for Swindon (for four matches with 'guest' riders) - well that also is something to ponder on. As the old newspapers used to say years ago "Watch this space!" Edited December 14, 2016 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 i assume that if fans turn out to watch these swindon all stars in enough numbers not to loose money they will be looking to enter a sprockets team next year so isn't that good ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 i assume that if fans turn out to watch these swindon all stars in enough numbers not to loose money they will be looking to enter a sprockets team next year so isn't that good ? Depends on if they have a track to ride on. Has anyone been past the Swindon building site? Is anything happening there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 More a daydream than a team. Neither location has the use of the stadium secured, Belle Vue doesn't have a promoter at the helm, Coventry is the subject of a Police investigation whilst the stadium lies in ruins. IMHO, there's a few basics that have to be dealt with before we start singing from the rooftops about this "team". And then there's Swindon. To quote the statement - "Swindon, who are due to move into their new stadium in June, will also enter a team into the National Trophy with riders from sides who aren’t in the mini tournament." - What's that all about? A team of 7 guest riders who will wow the Swindon public for all of 4 meetings only? Will Swindon have to have the same 1-7 or can they pick a team of track specialists for each of their away meetings? Is this like making things up as you go along, or what? And what if the developers "do a Reading" and don't deliver on their promise of a new stadium there? Of course Swindon will have the same 7 riders. Why do speedway fans make this kind of thing so difficult? Will Mildenhall have the same 7 riders in all meetings? What about Birmingham? Nobody has confirmed either will, will someone confirm this for me? It's leaving me confused! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) The convenience of the supposed random NLKOC draw, eh!! Local derbies in Stoke vs Buxton, Kent vs Eastbourne & Isle of Wight vs Plymouth! Edited December 14, 2016 by Islander15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 It was done a few years ago when Leicester ran a NL team in the trophy. Picked the best available/in form riders but still didn't top the group. Fingers crossed Swindon do get the support and NL comes to the tapes in 2018. As a side note who would be happy with this team this year? It was the Leicester line up for the first National Trophy Meeting James Sarjeant Dan Greenwood Tom Perry Max Clegg Oli Greenwood James Shanes Tom Woolley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 It was done a few years ago when Leicester ran a NL team in the trophy. Picked the best available/in form riders but still didn't top the group. Fingers crossed Swindon do get the support and NL comes to the tapes in 2018. As a side note who would be happy with this team this year? It was the Leicester line up for the first National Trophy Meeting James Sarjeant Dan Greenwood Tom Perry Max Clegg Oli Greenwood James Shanes Tom Woolley that's a championship team so going by next season could be entered into the premiership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Thumper Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 The convenience of the supposed random NLKOC draw, eh!! Local derbies in Stoke vs Buxton, Kent vs Eastbourne & Isle of Wight vs Plymouth! Yes, I thought that was a bit handy! Hopefully, the Buxton v Stoke meeting can also be used to decide the Air-fence Challenge or whatever it might be called this year. There are only so many times that you can watch repeats of repeats. Instead of pointless challenges put on an individual meeting that includes some of the young hopefuls and mix it all up a bit. Throw in a veterans race and some old skool stuff and I' d pay a couple of quid to watch that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Yes, I thought that was a bit handy! Hopefully, the Buxton v Stoke meeting can also be used to decide the Air-fence Challenge or whatever it might be called this year. There are only so many times that you can watch repeats of repeats. Instead of pointless challenges put on an individual meeting that includes some of the young hopefuls and mix it all up a bit. Throw in a veterans race and some old skool stuff and I' d pay a couple of quid to watch that! not sure that can happen can it ? surely the idea is that all the money goes to a new or up-keep of the old fence. riders ride for nothing as they benefit from it , can't see that happening in a lge or cup meeting. i like the individual idea as i've got a dvd of tony atkin winning the afc from buxton from a few years ago so jayne has done that before , perhaps it didn't make the same amount as a home & away friendly . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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